Summer 2024 Transfer Window

There's talk now that Chelsea are stockpiling players because there's a transfer ban coming from the Abramovich era.

Man Utd obviously wanted Tobido and up until a few months ago were happy with AWB. Some of their fans are disappointed to let him go.

Would Newcastle have signed Max Kilman? Possibly as they are clearly trying to sign an English CB but have eyes elsewhere at the moment.

Summerville was linked with a few clubs in the past but I have my doubts about him being a top 8 club player currently. Maybe he can grow into one at the right club. Jarrod Bowen did exactly that and he has been one of the best in the league in his position the last few years.

But Bowen needs an Antibiotic type player to play off of. Fullkrug does this. So while a top 8 club wouldn't necessarily want Fullkrug, he actually brings more out of the players around him. The Aldi-Giroud if you want.

That young Brazilian kid is an unknown.

I understand that, I’m not suggesting that he is some dud of a signing either. I was just saying that the ‘West Ham won the transfer window’ narrative is more down to their quantity of signings rather than quality of signings.

If Villa, Tottenham or Newcastle came in with a Todibo, Kilman, Wan Bissaka, Guido Rodriguez, Summerville and Fullkrug (I don’t think I’ve missed anyone) window etc.

Or Chelsea copied brightons model and we didn't really pay any attention to it before because they were doing it low key and for less money, not sure if this is true but every time Brighton sold a player in the last 5 years they always seemed to have another one just lying about that we'd never heard of who was equally as good. I mean Chelsea did sign pretty much the whole Brighton organization in the last few years.

i'd saw AWB was as let down by United as a lot of players were.

As you say, when he was signed he showed real promise as a fullback,albeit a more traditional one rather than Trent or James for example.

His game didn't improve much - and maybe that is down to him not being bothered. but how many players have seen their game improve while at United over the last decade? Was he being well coached?

Opportunistic is taking advantage of a low release clause, or exploiting a contract stand-off etc. Paying double the transfer fee that a rival is willing to pay is not opportunistic.

Real wanted him to see out his contract, just because they only bid 20m doesn't mean that's his value, they thought they could bully Lille and it didn't work.

I see opportunistic used with Untied on transfers this summer and I don't think tit should be read as purely cheap/financial.

I do think Zirkzee was an opportunistic signing because players of his quality/profile generally don't have a release clause that low.

With Yoro I think the opportunity was talent based. He is widely reported to be considered the best CB prospect in football. And, for United, the opportunity in this case was the opportunity to sign him. I don't think we'd have done over our value for him, but if we had waited a year I reckon he goes elsewhere on a free (Madrid). It is reported other clubs didn't go in for him because they assumed he would go to Madrid and didn't try to convince him otherwise. United saw a potential opportunity with Madrid not waiting to spend big on him this summer, and made their offers - and got it done.

It may not work out - history would suggest it won't because we are terrible at coaching and improving players. (over the last decade). But hopefully the new (part) owners and the changes they are putting in place will right that, and Yoro will have every chance to become the player people seem to think he will be. At which point we'll probably sell him to Madrid!

Clubs activating players release clauses when a club is relegated is opportunistic. It's taking advantage of an anomaly in the market.

Clubs buying a player with one year left on his contract, at a reduced price, is opportunistic. IIRC RVP had one year left on his deal at Arsenal when Man Utd bought him for below market rate as a result. Generally speaking, when a player is in the last year of his deal, the selling clubs will accept a lower fee - 'to get something'.

Opportunistic is finding a player with a release clause that is much lower than his actual value. it may not exactly be a player you need but you can take advantage of the situation. An old example but Minamino had a release clause of €8.5m. Liverpool activated that as they thought his actual value was higher and he could be used as a squad player. He was then sold for nearly double initial transfer fee, closer to his actual realistic valuation (€15m), a couple years later. As Mitch mentioned, Zirkzee is one that could fall under this category as Man Utd think that his actual valuation is much higher than his release clause.

Whatever you think about Yoro being this big generational talent etc, paying double (€62m) the nearest bid is not opportunistic. That is overpaying in a one-club bidding war. Real Madrid were offering around €30m as that is what they felt his value was, because he only had 1 year left on his deal and was very inexperienced. Liverpool were interested in that price (€30m) too, for similar reasons and made a point at using the word opportunistic. Anything higher was not worth it as it was too risky given his inexperience and better value elsewhere or at home. It's notable that both clubs have not been active in the transfer market for a CB since. They were both interested in the low price, not the player or position specifically.

Paying more is not opportunistic, it's just paying more.

Unsure why you have written all that and not engaged with a single one of the posts explaining how it very much was opportunistic...

Why bother engaging when you can make up your own reasoning for what a word actually means

For some folk, there is simply no balance, rhyme or reason when they are discussing United or United related matters. It's funny and utterly transparent at this point.🤷‍♂️

Mate of mine (Liverpool fan) everytime we sign a player "has to be the wages, no other club will pay what United do" then quotes a crazy figure about 80k higher than the actual wages.

Alot of words to basically say "we didn't want him anyway" which is blatantly not true. But carry on convincing yourself that Utd have overpaid and somehow this is a bad deal. You've been so concerned about Chelsea and Utd this summer that you seem to have missed that the much touted best in class Liverpool backroom team can't get a deal done.

I do remember a lot of people in similar threads having their head in the sand alright when Ronaldo, Casemiro & Varane signed. World Class for the here and now etc and that anybody showing any sort of reasoning why those transfers were overpriced or how the massive contracts handed out would be an issue etc were instantly shut down. There was no balance, rhyme or reason for a lot of people, but look how those transfers ended up.

How many years do we have to wait for this to come through? Laurie Whitwell, the Man Utd Athletic reporter stated that assurances around game time and being a key player this season were a big factor in convincing the player to move to Man Utd this year. They've paid the big fee now and said he is being told that he is playing now, so is he being judged on the here and now? Obviously the answer to that is no as he is a young player but when can this be reviewed? 2030 or 2034? Will this be another Pogba or Sancho or AWB situation?

I haven't said Yoro will be a bad player either, it's just not an opportunistic signing. it's an overpriced one, that nobody else was willing to even go close to.

What in blue blazes do the signings of Varane, Casemiro or Ronaldo have to do with the discussion at hand ie the opportunistic signing of Yoro by United?

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The words opportunity and value seem to be getting mixed up in this and I'm not entirely sure why

If rio told me the sun was shining, i'd pack a raincoat. Ultimate spoofer.

What exactly is that?

Is it because a Liverpool fan dared to give an opinion on an forum about transfers involving Man Utd? Just because I support Liverpool does that mean I am not allowed to post an opinion on another club overpaying on a player? I have posted about lots of clubs overpaying in this thread throughout the last few months. Do I have to ask for permission before posting about certain clubs in the future?

Or maybe some people will not act so precious when reading an opinion on one transfer and trying to compare it to a tactical attack on their club. But of course for some, there is simply no balance, rhyme or reason when they are discussing Man Utd and you're not allowed to even think about having an alternative viewpoint. Which I thought was the whole purpose of a debate forum. 🤷‍♂️

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You've justed decided United bid 50% over his valuation, which is a rubbish, staw man position to take.

You've also decided a move can ONLY be opportunistic if it is cheap or under value, which is also rubbish.

The opportunity United speak of with regards to Yoro is a market situation which they took advantage of. Madrid spending 150million on Mbappe and deciding that (1) Yoro would only ever leave Lille for them and (2) he'd sign for them for free or Lille would be forced to sell him CHEAP because their only option was sell him for whatever madrid offered or lose him for free.

It was widely considered Madrid were right about it.

United made an acceptable bid, and convinved Yoro to come.

The opportunity can also be said to be Yoro himself. Ie. They have the opportunity to buy a generational CB prospect (thats the talk) that they would likely not have in 12 months. they had the opportunity to move for him now, and try do it.

Opporunistic, opportunity etc - don't have to only mean 'bargain' as you seem to be pushing.

Hopefully Yoro is as good a defender as our resident United fan group

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