Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It doesnt prove that at all. Some are very well looked after.

Delusional.. Strazdas I'm curious about how you think we are successfully integrating these men?

If the claim is that an exponential increase in asylum EU-wide is the reason for an exponential increase in asylum domestically, then comparing the percentage increase in Ireland with the percentage increase in the EU is absolutely warranted. In referencing “an exponential increase in asylum across Europe” the implication is that that EU is experiencing significant levels of asylum in contrast with previous years - this is untrue. 

Instead, it is apparent that there was a moderate increase in asylum EU-wide and an exponential increase in asylum in Ireland, this despite Ireland - as an island on the edge of Europe - generally being isolated from the effects of illegal migration. With EU statistics indicating that Ireland had the highest level of asylum applications per capita, it is abundantly obvious that this less an EU-wide trend, than a domestic issue prompted by inadequate policy. The radical development as regards asylum is domestic rather than Europe-wide.

On policies of deterrence, the Minister for Migration has attributed the decrease in asylum applications to Government policy, noting the increase in emigration from nationals of Iraq, Somalia and Syria. Germany, in contrast, has experienced an increase in asylum applications despite the state of the German economy. One would expect that economic performance would be of greater concern to economic migrants than it would to asylum applicants with a well founded fear of persecution… 

Policies of deterrence are effective in decreasing asylum applications from economic migrants engaging in secondary movement from EU Member States. At present, between 50% and 70% of asylum applications in the State are from those engaging in secondary movement. Policies of deterrence include effecting deportations, however, the primary purpose is to disincentivise asylum applications in the first instance. I’d certainly be interested in a source demonstrating that policies of deterrence result in economic decline, the article provided discusses deportations only - as discussed, the entire purpose of policies of deterrence is to deter application in the first place and it has a demonstrated effect; it is why asylum applications in Sweden are decreasing, it is why asylum applications in Denmark, Norway and Finland are low. To reduce policies of deterrence to deportations is to fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the policy. 

Interesting to note that you went from doubting the secondary movement statistic as it relates to Ireland, to applying to to all EU Member States. Quite a jump!

I mean maybe but I think the OP was aimed at regular Joe voters on this thread.

Some may be loosely connected to migration/asylum services but majority are just naieve people who think positive energy is an actual commodity.

That report doesn't state that deterring asylum seekers "tanks" an economy like you stated. Whilst it does state that the cost of the asylum seeker is front loaded and once working after a decade approx (based on US data) they become net contributors. That's based on a initial outlay of 10k. The fact the findings are from 2017 I would imagine this to be significantly higher in western society with a shortage of accommodation across the developed world. Not just Ireland. Secondly it shoes a graph based on Swedish data showing no higher than 65% of asylum seekers working even after 15 years. Stating asylum seekers may not have integrated due to issues with language. Does not consider the lack of a welfare benefits between Sweden and the USA as factor for the differences in getting a higher % of asylum seekers in to the workplace. In the US there is no handouts once asylum clearance is obtained.

Where did the swedes go wrong in integrating their asylum seekers.

Below are article stating Sweden was rated the best country to be an immigrant. Looks like they were too welcoming and got exploited for their generosity.

https://theworld.org/stories/2017/08/17/sweden-refugees-and-white-nationalist-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/10/sweden-is-the-best-country-in-the-world-to-be-an-immigrant-u-s-study-says/

Nearly 70% of the people waiting on social housing lists in Dublin are non nationals.

The Irish are being outbred and outnumbered at lightning pace.

Of course it's nothing to do with children's allowance, that would be a silly suggestion 🤷🏻