Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

A total of 2,100 Palestinian toddlers/infants have now been murdered by Israel since last October. Many more are missing. That is some grim statistic and one that the state of Israel will never live down. Grotesque

Had a proper friendship-ending falling out with my American friend over this. The only point I made after he brought up the topic was "You cannot bomb an entire country's population because rockets are coming from there.". He flipped out and argued that you can and should because it's the people's fault for not overthrowing Hamas, then he called me a Hamas supporter, brought up de Valera and Hitler, and said Irish people are "always like this".

The things he said to justify Israel's actions made me realise he's on the far far far right of Israel's politics. It seems to be his vessel for some intense Islamophobia he has going on. Like following Israel lets him cheer the deaths of Muslims in a righteous way with a lot of support from whatever communities he's in.

Our partners want us to get over it but I don't think I want to. His views are more inhumane than the worst of the worst in this thread. At least on boards, people are afraid of a ban. He just let loose and it was vile.

That means a minimum of 1.6% of the population have been killed. And that's just a minimum. When you think of the bodies that haven't been found. the people dying of disease and hunger, from lack of medical care for other conditions etc…the figure is going to be far higher. I saw a figure of 180,000 quoted. If it actually went that high, that would be about 7% of the population killed. And that's just deaths. That's not including all the people who are injured.

Yet people still are 'pro Israel' like it is a football team. At least most people in Ireland see Israel as it is, a terrorist state. Hopfully other counties like the UK, France etcs will start to distance themselves from Israel. I'm not sure if the USA support will ever end, but I'm hopeful support will wain once the younger generation start to have a greater say in a decade or two (if they can avoid fox news).

So far during August, we have the below reports from BBC. In many other videos we can see the IDF (who act on behalf of Israel) protecting the settlers while they attack\kill Palestinians and damage their property. Israel are doing these acts of terror and it is all caught on camera for the world to see. Swap, the words Israeli and Palestinian in the below headings to get the other sides perspective.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c623zkwd04qo

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd735zvg1q9o Israeli soldiers stated they had “encountered armed terrorists” and that “a customs officer Abdel Nasser was killed during exchanges of fire”. However, CCTV footage shows that this statement is false. Instead, Abdel Nasser was murdered in cold blood.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgrr0k7xkyo

Also from June, Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to military vehicle.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

Hamas has said it does not want to meet and discuss a cease fire meanwhile causalitys in gaza are over 40k .Biden is going to be retired in a few months There's not much chance of America doing much about the crisis before the presidential election Iran and other groups have been meeting to decide what action to take in regard to attacking Israel so the outlook

at the moment is bleak . I think America is a democratic society but various politicians support Israel and Israel relys on a large supply of weapons from America there's only a small percent difference in the polls between trump and Harris so there's no sign of a change in policy at the moment in regard to the war in gaza

I'm fully expecting some sort of ceasefire in place for US election time. When the election is over it could kick off again. Hopefully not.

That 'proportionality' paragraph is one I'd be personally familiar with. It's an area that can be difficult to interpret really . If a planner was in the last stages of planning an ambush then it could reasonably be argued that him, his family and house can be destroyed to prevent loss of life in his enemy. It's all alot more complicated than 'killing babies' in a bombing raid = murder. It doesn't.

Iv been to Israel and the West Bank many times. From Nablus to Eilat ...north to south...east to West. If people were dropping an 'occasional' rocket near my family I'd be advocating alot tougher action than the Israelis have. I'd say alot of Irish people would find that occasional rocket amd run to a bomb shelter an outrageous occurance.

A word on the ICC. It's a biased joke of an organisation. The UN is the same.. All these international organisations are packed up the rafters with lefties ,greens and worse. They are no use.