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Intel Xe DG1 - Team Blue (re)enters the GPU market

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭Jon Doe


    Intel Graphic's Achilles' heel has always been its drivers.. has that changed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Watch the video instead of spamming the forums?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭Jon Doe


    The video is heavily gamer-oriented, not developer-oriented… :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    First Battlemage leaks

    Arc B580:

    • ~225W TDP
    • 2 GHz core clock
    • 12GB GDDR6
    • PCIe 5.0 x8 interface


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Arc B580 listed at $259.55

    (for comparison, the A750 launched at $289 & A580 at $179)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭minitrue


    There's a $250 12GB 20 Xe core B580 in 10 days and $220 10GB 18 Xe core B570 in January. Intel seem to be pitching the B580 against (generally better than) the 4060/7600 at 1440p Ultra, perhaps with raytracing being where it really wins along with the extra vram, will be interesting perhaps to see if that RT strength carries over into upscaling.

    For the B580 Intel are saying it's actually 190W TBP (stock seemingly with room for vendors to reach 220W-ish on OC cards), 2670MHz typical clock, 12GB GDDR6 on 192bit bus but it's pci-express 4.0 x8 not 5.0! For anyone normal that pci-e generation difference is hardly likely to matter but I sighed as the 5.0 x8 rumour coupled with their media engine had me paying attention.

    B570 is 150W and 2500MHz so we'll just have to see benchmarks and actual retail pricing but I'd guess for people who aren't focused on gaming but do need a real gpu for something it might have a place until anything cheaper appears!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    GN preview

    Also

    That is a pretty GPU.

    Post edited by K.O.Kiki on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Someone got an early B580 + driver

    https://x.com/Crackiioli/status/1866945640472907815

    3DMark Steel Nomad (Vulkan)

    A'770: Avg. 2'609

    B580: 3'222pts (3'382 @ 3.15GHz) a 24-29% uplift



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It is unfortunate that while being this good, better in most cases than a 4060, it's still in the performance bracket that requires upscaling to be able to enjoy raytracing, and too many games than fall into this category don't have support for XeSS upscaling and frame gen.

    It looks like a winning architecture if it can scale up and if they push for more support in games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    It depends on the game, really.

    But overall, this is a big win, now they just need to bring the European price below 300eur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    If they can release a midrange for 400-500 that takes on the 4070/5070 I'd actually buy it.

    Great release imo, show's Nvidia and and that they need to put a bit of thought behind their stupid pricing of late, although saying that the EU pricing for the b580 is stupid as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Homelander


    It's a decent win for consumers given the state of prices in recent years and how each mid-range part seems to be getting worse in terms of value offered.

    Nvidia in particular with their stingy ram, it's a blatant abuse of market position and I've no idea why people keep blindly buying into it.

    The GTX1070 had 8GB vram in 2016, several generations later they're still shipping $300-400 cards with 8GB vram despite said cards being crippled in some newer games, and the upcoming 5060 also only has 8GB vram too I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    I was browsing and managed to misread A580 as B580 on a store page.
    PSA:

    A580 (old, meh): 8GB
    B580 (new, good): 12GB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Coyler


    Pre Xmas pricing is going to be a little mad but €400+ is eye watering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Ah, bugger.

    Well, more of a PSA: Resizeable BAR (Intel) / Smart Access Memory (AMD) is necessary for these GPUs to work well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Coyler


    ReBar was certainly my thought as well but it seems we were all wrong. There is a CPU overhead across generations.

    It doesn't make it a complete disaster but Steve's retesting with the 5600 could reveal some interesting quirks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    There is still basically no availability and I see nothing in the future to change my mind that Intel graphics is a zombie and nothing else is coming.

    There is no scenario where an Intel that has ditched its ceo, fallen off the dow jones industrial, lost multiple cpu generations in a row, facing lawsuits over multiple operational coverups, lost its server customers, and is failing its financial targets is going to keep a graphics division running which can't deliver functional products that are also being sold at a loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Coyler


    Think you're being a little harsh describing it as not functional. Certainly moves from a recommend to "it depends" product that might have it's issues with driver overhead on older CPUs addressed in future driver updates.

    As for Intel scrapping the whole product, they could. And they could sell it to someone else who is prepared to run with it. Or someone will buy it just to kill it. In the end though if it's successful Intel will run with it, if it's not then it's all moot.

    B570 are out in the wild. Very interesting to see how these perform even with the overhead on older CPUs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Arc was not functional. This looked like they'd "solved most of their issues" but it turns out it's also got serious problems.

    And it doesn't matter because they're not producing any anyway. Nobody is going to take this off their hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Coyler


    Nice work from Steve here. A lot of food for thought. Very slightly slower at 1080p but faster at 1440p. The few comments Steve made about the driver overhead issue and came across a lot more confident that Intel can address it. For all our sakes, I certainly hope they do. I did see a few people claiming to have some background in the area state that it is addressable but I've no idea. We shall see.

    B570 reviews dropping tomorrow. Oh, and the B580 is back in stock in various places if priced a little high for my liking. Intel as the underdog is getting weird.

    Post edited by Coyler on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Coyler


    Summary: Steve and Steve have different kinds of tests but come to the conclusion that the B570 is "meh" at $220 and worth stretching to the B580. Both should only be considered at MSRP. RX7600 if not. Level 1 Techs is more bullish on it as the B570 is clearly a binned b580 that is down clocked so it has some head room. However, that is very niche so not really a major factor.

    Long story short, B570 needs to drop to $200 to be worth it. Covert to € as needed :)

    Interenting info from GN. I had seen some claim that 12th gen Intel chips are not seeing the driver overhead which GN Steve seems to confirm. Take that for what you will. Both Steves confirm that as you load the CPU it does impact the performance of the B5*0 cards. Remains to be seen if Intel can addressed it but thats the big picture right now.

    Unfortunately pricing is also horrible right now. Seeing B570s for €299 and up so far and B580s are running out of stock again. This is definitely a "wait and see" unless your budget is super tight. Interested to see what 7500F/B580 budget build could look like in a few weeks if the stock issues can be addressed. As for upgrade paths for older machines, price and driver do need to improve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/intel-arc-b570-review-ft-asrock/

    Similar situation in the KitGuru review (UK) - their prices are bad, seems Europe has been forgotten once again.

    AMD save us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    We can only hope, but I've a feeling AMD will f**k this launch up as per usual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    Arc wasn't functional?

    Someone tell that to my A770 16GB

    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



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