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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13 dairyedge


    Which one of these faults did you get locked up on? The department are a joke. They can leave you looking at reactors for a month after a failed test but can send you out a half inch of paper work to look at within 2 of their working days. Where only keeping people in employment. This dumping milk is another joke. Do the Co op’s do a milk recall when you get the results of the tb blood result's back? Nothing but phone calls and letters you get afterwards. When you get out the calculator the money you get back for reactors is a slap on the face.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries


    Absolutely and we'll said .the **** that's been spouted on here the last few days makes the resident troll look half normal. The department do not care about eradicating tb plain and simple do not pass go on that statement. There's no possible way to make a reasonable argument against them not wanting it gone. If they wanted to rid the country of tb it would have been done 40 +years ago ....and if eradicating didn't work we would all be vaccinating for it . There's no restrictions on people leaving the country as an export and 90%of the country was vaccinated for tb at some point.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    The way we look at it is we have to feed ration and probaly silage anyway so its really only usually a case of when you going to feed it .I thing I hate is letting them out at night and bringing them back in .pointless work but I do my level best to get them out every day



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries


    Iagreewith the ration and silage point ,but the extra work to get grass into cows in spring is not pointless work.its definitely thankless work but it's nevertheless necessary if your going to knock milk out of cow's (in a half normal year)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I agree

    I put a good bit of work in to it here and can definitely see the benefits of it after this year. They didn’t get out as much in the spring and it really hampered milk production. Now I probably should have more better quality silage on hand but it still shows the benefit of spring grass if the weather is favourable



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    U save alot on silage getting them out early and also their health and feet. Triggers grass growth also



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭grass10


    Factory lesion showed up on purchased in animal I never had a reactor before dept tell me that since that animal was purchased by me the other herd had a big no of reactors in comrade animals in that herd these things happen nothing I can do about it but I've had a lot of hassle with having to do 4 month test with a couple of years because of a number of dairy herds near me that constantly go down with tb very obvious animal welfare issues and yet they do nothing to improve their chances of not going down with tb again and by some posters reactions here it's obvious we're all in for a lot more tb going forward I spoke to a lad lately that had the bug in his herd he blamed just about everyone he could think of as to why his animals had tb from the meat factory,the vets, neighbours, contractors brought it in their machinery, wildlife, ai company etc and at the same time was boasting about the live valuation he got, milk compensation he got etc and was now regretting that more cows didn't go as he had lots of heifers coming in but I'll probably be criticised for telling the truth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    What’s the beer like to night with the lads on the bar stool. I have yet to meet any farmer that is happy to have TB in their herd and also wake up there is no financial gain out of TB and that is a fact.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries


    WWe All should have nearly everything better no matter what setups we have but once you're trying and improving each year (apart from this year. This year can go fook itself). Things will come together eventually..... or at least that's what I'm banking on.... 35 years later 😄😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries


    He got no compensation for his milk ...none zilch Nada zero no reddies. Etc etc he's been taking the mick out of you



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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭grass10


    It's called monthly income supplement for dairy herds which obviously he called milk compensation also for winter months you can get fodder compensation please have your facts correct



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭grass10


    I am only quoting what some people who cannot add talk about on a daily basis



  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Jack98


    I’m sure this hypothetical figure was delighted with the €55 per cow a month they got, seems like a no brainer to want more cows to go down. Good God.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ohhh I do I've had tb my uncles have had tb my illiterate neighbours had tb (two smart men but neither can read or write beyond a signature .... my wife thoughtone to sign his name ). My wife reads over their paperwork for them they don't acknowledge it to me at all.😃

    Anyway i know all there is to know ...an I know you're being sold a pig in a bag. You'll get 4 monthlymax payments of 250 euros that's a total amount of 1000 euros if you lost enough stock you would also get it as for a silage supplement ....if you can qualify for something like that from the department then your In seriously deep doo doo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    French lady lost all her herd to TB a few months back. Seems the system here is to slaughter absolutely everything once there’s an outbreak.
    Didn’t get a penny in compensation anyways.
    Had a go fund me thingy to get restocked. Probably got plenty money too because she’s a very good looking lady.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,265 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    speculation…waffle ….amongst other things ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    only lad tb would suit is someone looking to get out of dairy farming know few that it worked out that way for them they were repopulated didn't have the hassle of clearance sale with old stock etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,265 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    ‘Relief’ at Salesian College after first clear TB test in 2 years

    Well worth a read from a farm who can give an honest opinion after 2 years locked up …..backs up what a few here are saying re blood testing



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭raindodger


    Hope they are going to be ok ,looks as if they got special treatment as regards the amount of bloods done.Some vets will tell you in a case like that until all that cohort of animals are gone you will have sleepers left behind.be interesting does this intensive testing regime work if it doesnt vaccination is the only sensible conclusion



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Agree.

    We have to start thinking of TB as a herd level problem, and deal with the risks therein. Clear the infection from the herd, and do all we can to reduce the risk of bringing it in. Bloods play a part in big breakdowns with the obvious downside of potentially losing some good animals, but we need to put herd status above the individual animal in those situations.

    Buying clear-tested individuals frrom high risk herds is madness also, in terms of risk to the herd. My own opinion is that you shouldn't be eligible for TB compensation if you buy in high risk stock from high risk herds. Why should the taxpayer fund the consequences of reckless purchases?

    DAFM must, must,must make progress on wildlife to hold up that end of the bargain.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭older by the day


    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/relief-at-salesian-college-after-first-clear-tb-test-in-2-years/

    It's not a great advert for blood testing. A lot of cows gone. No cause found. Its treating the symptoms not the cause. Not much help to the lads who will have reactors for the first time this week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,265 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    it’s actually a very good argument for blood testing to rid the problem ….as others said here skin test is fine but the issue isn’t what it takes but what it leaves ….I know with blood you’ll loose false positives but you are getting to the nub of the infection earlier before it becomes a big problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,265 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    agree there but how about the high risk herds loosing a market …there would have to be some level of compo there …..I sell Fr heifer calves and maidens to 2 regular customers ….depending on how things go for me over next few months I’m not expecting they will buy from me this year ….and I understand why …..I’m also in situation where I’m contract rearing my heifer calves and in calf heifers …hoping against hope the guy doing it for me if I get clear will continue as good working relationship built up …..but I’d also understand if he wanted out



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭older by the day


    But you are not, if an infected badger or deer is shhiting and pissing around your yard and fields. I have seen great herds whittle away down to half around here.

    "You will loose false positives but". That's a big negative to the lad with 50 cows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭green daries


    Agreed the department I'm told won't engage on the deer problem. So where do you go then 🤔 get clear and be back to square one in a few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,265 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I agree re dept and badgers /wildlife and how there dealing with it …..they hold badger in higher position than a farmers wellbeing or his ainmals …..

    On last bit and loosing false positives …would a 56 cow farmer be better loose a few more early than in give 1/2 years testing and loosing a few here and there ….it’s a **** situation ….my neighbour with fairly big breakdown has has his 90 cow herd more than halved since march has one round of bloods done and he’s coming round to accepting another blood test in near future would be best even if it means loosing more ainmals and a very distinct possibility of depopulation …..it’s a very **** situation for anyone locked up when there is no clear protocol from dept to either vaccinate national herd or get serious on areas where there is breakdowns and go after badgers and deer population hard



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,646 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Another point is there can be sleeper cows that pass both the skin and blood tests. It's only if these naturally go the factory then they are identified. That cow could be the last cow in the herd standing before she goes though. With the bloods it doesn't mean they have it only they've been in contact.

    Those sleeper cows surely must show some physical symptoms though if they are that bad? Maybe putting a hand or arm down a throat would show some swelling down their tongue. Just guessing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It says they had six blood tests in the two years.
    I don’t see how it’s any better than the skin test at picking out infected animals.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Disease isn't just black and white. It can exist in an animal without necessarily causing a full immune response or disease symptoms.



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