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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,627 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, she isn't pumping price controls, although that is how it is framed to dupe those not paying close enough attention.
    Can you find us some credible economists that are classifying this as price controls?
    And I don't mean MAGA stooges.

    This is a much more specific measure… "closer to a consumer protection measure"

    Under Harris’ proposal, the government wouldn’t specify prices, but the Federal Trade Commission could investigate price spikes. “The proposal is really about protecting consumers from unscrupulous corporate actors that are trying to just rip the consumer off because they know they can,” she said.

    https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation-65dc8844bb41159d76886f752b6cab28

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,575 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Ill wait for her full sit down interview on her proposals and then catch the summary and reaction , that would make me more informed than 95% of US voters or she should come out and condemn price controls as Socialism which she isnt for if that is the case

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Instead of addressing the post, you've just gone on a rant. Exploiting consumers buying their groceries by spiking prices. Eg Kroger in the US are currently considering bringing in dynamic pricing for groceries which means one customer will end up paying a different price than another for the exact same shopping. But your concern is "socialism".

    https://progressivegrocer.com/senators-probe-kroger-about-dynamic-pricing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Frankly all markets eventually collapse into some form of price fixing or supports, the only difference here is that it's not earmarked for large corporations.

    Just look at the criminal gouging that Spervalue, Dunnes and Centra indulged in until Aldi and Lidl came along. Retailers will charge what they think their customers will tolerate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Until we meet headlines such as, "Record profits recorded by *** company" with contempt and disgust, instead of heralding it as something to strive for, there'll be no ease in the cost the living crisis.

    They have record profits, because they are charging too much.

    This should not be hard to understand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Shoog


    All markets tend towards Monopolies, they then start gouging. Markets in of themselves are not and never have been self regulating to achieve the best possible outcomes. It's a myth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,389 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Surely his kids should be making an intervention and showing him some pamphlets.

    Florida has some excellent elder care homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,575 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    In California they either restricted price rises or profits of insurance companies, end result a lot of Insurance companies just left and caused havoc because claims were higher than premiums they could charge. Surely your example shows the market does work unless the government has planning inefficiencies and or regulation capture occurs , what wont work is creating supermarket price control but it maybe popular with the economic illiterate

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,627 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Whats being proposed isnt price controls. This has already been explainex on the thread.

    Under Harris’ proposal, the government wouldn’t specify prices, but the Federal Trade Commission could investigate price spikes.

    Continuing to describe it as price controls is economic illiteracy and arguing against a fabricated strawman.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,929 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I worked at Dunnes when Aldi arrived in town, and their reaction was honestly something akin to panic. They even brought in a range of items called "Dunnes Betta Valdi"(which at the time felt perilously close to copyright infringement) which were cheaper than cheap. I remember one woman bringing back a box of corn flakes from the Betta Valdi range which she said she couldn't eat, so she put them out for the birds and the birds wouldn't eat them either.

    Aldi/Lidl's model works by selling quality items at low prices with a low margin thanks to economies of scale. Dunnes answer was to sell really cheap items that were cheap for a reason - no-one wanted to buy them in the first place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,575 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Thats good though, better than some government wonk trying to get headlines by coming out with a regulation price for a bunch of items , you will end up with a bunch of intended-unintended consequences

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Shoog


    But the overall outcome has been a general downward pressure on prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,784 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Yeah - but in fairness to Dunne’s stores - Aldi and Lidl are continent wide operations so they have huge heft behind them to develop own brand quality products.

    Dunne’s are Irish based and unlikely to expand any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    But once again, this relates to investigating outlier scenarios where prices increase drastically. It's basically having a consumer watchdog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,575 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    im old enough to remember that supermarkets were limited in size "by the government" here, same as all the taxi shortages and extreme values of ""taxi plates" , the default is that price control is covering up for some other inefficiency

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,167 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    but you’re not waiting you’re declaring she’s gonna destroy America.

    Talking out of both sides of the same hole



  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭md23040


    The back of the trump rally in Penn yesterday. Average crowd at Trump rallies 4600 whilst Harris attracted 13,400 over the last 8 events. These facts drive this bloated man baby mad and why he’s going off script and so mentally unhinged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,167 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    how long before he panics and tests that theory about dropping his pants and taking a 💩 on the podium, hoping to get a bigger crowd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭briany


    An American goes on Facebook to make a short rant about the evils of Socialism before getting into his car to travel along a federally-funded highway (socialised infrastructure) to pick his kid up from a public school (socialised education). He hasn't been able to afford all the books necessary for this year's curriculum, but the local library has been a life saver, allowing extended borrowing periods on school books (socialised literature). Yes, times have been hard since dad lost his job due to the meat-packing plant closing down. It was the biggest employer in that small town. It's only the cheque he's getting every week off the government (argh! welfare state!) which is allowing him to even keep the house.

    The above is somewhat more taking the American populist definition of socialism, which is basically any time it's proposed that public funds are used to provide a service. I don't know if I'd call that an accurate definition, but it's really to point out how many Americans participate in those kinds of economic practices without much complaint and don't even seem to realise it or simply don't mind it when it benefits them. But the concept of calling it 'socialist' to go after companies who price gouge is a bit of new one even for America. It's unfair and civilly irresponsible for companies to charge way over the odds for a product which costs relatively little to produce, especially in cases where that product is a necessity, and even more in cases where they have a monopoly. The way capitalism should work is that the money you're making should have some relationship to the value you're contributing. Thus, if you profiteer, you need to be checked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,167 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that’s right wing think tanks and interests wearing down the American psyche for decades. Fair few Americans now would defend a company’s right to be a monopoly. See how they hyperventilate now when Harris said a few years ago she’d gladly seize a pharma company’s patent if they were not using it in good faith, only to hoard it or monopolize life saving medicine, that was funded by federal dollars. That she basically doesn’t want to spend billions of taxdollars developing drugs that ailing Americans need who will be charged over a barrel for them. She ghasp seems to believe in investing in Americans.

    And this terrifies the Martin Shkreli’s. Good:

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/is-this-even-legal-critics-slam-kamala-harris-over-vow-to-snatch-patents-after-resurfaced-vid-goes-viral/

    Naturally on the cesspool known as Twitter, it’s being stripped down of context, failing to point out the part where the federal government spend billions on the development of the patents in question under contract, eg:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The power to keep the political camps of America apart must be infinitely strong when not everyone can basically agree that this sneering tosser should have the book thrown at him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Or you know, things like dynamic pricing are very much so a brand new issues in economics and are not by default good.

    Martin Shkreli as pointed out by @briany is a great example. I have a chronic illness that if unmanaged could result in me being hospitalized, needing surgery and potentially disabled for life. Thankfully there's great drugs to manage it and I'm healthy, I'm a high earning tax payer so I put plenty back into the economy. I thankfully don't face a five or six thousand euro bill every time I need a treatment. I would face such a bill in the US.

    Let the markets do as the markets wish is what you personally view as the correct economic course. Not all economic systems view it as such. It can create deeply inequitable scenarios and applying something like dynamic prices to groceries is deeply exploitative. I would suspect the EU will regulate on such things before they become a serious issue. That's not covering up an inefficiency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @eightieschewbaccy

    Let the markets do as the markets wish is what you personally view as the correct economic course. Not all economic systems view it as such. It can create deeply inequitable scenarios and applying something like dynamic prices to groceries is deeply exploitative. I would suspect the EU will regulate on such things before they become a serious issue. That's not covering up an inefficiency.

    Letting the markets do what they wish would be fine so long as those markets are not allowed to become monopolies or cartels who use their market position to extract maximum profit while inputting minimum value. That's a complete perversion of what capitalism was supposed to be about. It was supposed to be about survival of the fittest, not the fattest sitting on everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Microsoft is a perfect example of how corporations work. Buy up the competition, absorb their ideas and then shut them down. Launch legal actions to stifle competition. Strongarm manufacturers to only stock your product.

    Google the same.

    Amazon a slight variation.

    It happens in every industry - capitalism always tends towards monopoly, cartels and price gouging. If you can get the government on board to pressure foreign countries to buy your product so much the better (think Monsanto and Haliburton).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,586 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,239 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well given how that family seems to operate, they only do it if they got something out of it. That family doesn’t seem to be do thinks because it’s the right thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,167 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump was flown by his handlers to Pennsylvania where he confused his audience for North Carolina. Elder abuse?

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-confusing-state-hes-raises-questions-1940779



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    To be fair with context

    The Hill reporter Julia Manchester wrote on X that the former president was "addressing a group of supporters from North Carolina who are at his rally in Pennsylvania. Before this clip he says 'I have another group from North Carolina. We love North Carolina.'"

    Still a weird way to reference a group of people.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Gabriel Swan


    Like most here, I don't live in America, however also unlike, most I can vote in the election. Who should I vote for? My primary concern is the welfare of the descendants of the 1607 shower and their descendants



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