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People Manager - 2 of my direct reports got a pay increase - now we are all on the same salary.

  • 16-08-2024 11:23am
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    Registered Users Posts: 16


    So I got 'promoted' in January, 11% salary increase, became a people manager, new title, double the work load, but remained in the same pay scale / job band. I have a few direct reports, 2 of which are in the same pay scale as me. Fast forward 6 months and my 2 direct reports got a mid-year pay review, now we are pretty much all on the same money. I asked HR if they could explain why I didn't get a mid-year pay review and they are just fobbing me off to my manager who says there is nothing he can do as we are all in the pay scale which means we have the same level of responsibility (contradiction to the fact that I was promoted). It feels like their salaries were reviewed as part of the efforts to align pay for the Gender Pay Gap reporting but HR are completely stonewalling me. Any ideas on where I stand?



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,012 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Time to polish the CV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,954 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Unless you go up a band it's not really a promotion.

    Some people love titles and saying they manage people so they see the extra workload as a promotion.

    However, in my opinion the smart position is getting yourself on the same band as a team leader without the headache of managing a team.

    Your situation is not uncommon tbh , there's plenty of team leaders and managers on fairly similar money as their subordinates.

    You either need to negotiate a better deal for yourself or look for better money elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭flyer_query


    From my experience people who get an out of cycle raise wont qualify for the annual merit cycle which might explain why you are not getting another raise now.

    On the job levelling, are you sure you are looking correctly, generally a manager level is a different stream to an individual contributor (eg individual would be ICXXX and manager would be MXXX).

    Assuming you are all graded on the same stream, it does seem to be an issue where a manager and direct reports are at the same level, this is very odd and almost looks like an error or else a dysfunctional workplace as its a case of either you are on too low a level or your direct reports are on too high a level.

    I would recommend updating your CV, it takes a while to polish a CV and seek external advice and even interview training. However be aware that getting a "promotion" and jumping ship shortly afterwards is not a great look so maybe wait a while but start the groundwork.

    To @Princess Calla reply, I agree with most but sometimes it can be worth the sacrifice to take a title promotion without the expected salary increase as it will open doors externally in the future (eg it can be hard to jump a level straight into a new employer as your CV simply wont be considered).



  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    It varies from company to company but generally the level or band you are on will determine your salary regardless of whether you are managing people or not. An Individual Contributer will often add more value to the company than a people manager. Some companies I have worked for place high importance on people managers and feedback from their direct reports is part of their review but most places I have worked do not have this feedback incorporated. Some people managers can have very easy jobs if their direct reports get their work done without escalation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Unfortunately it's common that people's salary levels within a company do not reflect the abilities or the responsibilities of its employees. In the past I've managed people who had nearly double my income; they were contractors and I was a salaried employee.

    If you already got an 11% salary increase this year because of your increased responsibility it's unlikely the organisation would sanction another increase now. You can make the point to your manager that you feel you should be earning more and lay the groundwork for a further increase or a change in pay scale next year. It's always best to emphasise your value to the organisation rather than pointing to what others beside you are earning.

    A poster glibly suggested above that you should start looking for a new job. Ignore that advice and ignore the poster. What you've outlined would not be reason enough to quit. If you like your job stick with it and address the salary issue in your next review. If we were all to quit our jobs as soon as we encountered an issue we didn't like, none of us would last more than 3 months in any job.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 tbaygirl2008


    I forgot to mention that my 2 direct reports are doing the same job I had before my 'promotion'. When I questioned why we were on the same salary I was told we had the same level of responsibility. This is quite the contradiction, why give me a pay raise and tell me it's a promotion if we're all in the same bucket??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,012 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    They're playing you: they've got you to do more work in return for a psychological promotion.

    Whether or not you should leave depends on what you can get elsewhere. If another employer wants you, for better money and fewer mind-games - and all other factors are equal - then it may be time to leave and start afresh with a manager who respects you.

    If there's no equal-or-better option at the moment, then you need to decide how to deal with the current situation. That could include re-allocating work within the team (if the staff have the same level of responsibility, there's no reason for you to be doing extra!)

    The only way to find out if another employer wants you is to get the CV out there and have a look.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    My advice is to play the long game. Use your new position/title to gain experience as a people leader that will set you up for the future. You have moved onto a career track that will likely see you earn a lot more than the ICs who are currently on the same salary within a few years. Work with your own people leader to create some ambitious new goals for yourself, have an impact, and try to put the injustice to the back of your mind.

    Think about setting yourself up for a move in 2 years. Not before then. It's not a good look. It sounds like this is your first time as a people leader. Unfortunately you got what feels like a raw deal right now. You have an opportunity to approach it in a way that in ten years from now you'll look back and see it all just as a part of your journey.

    (While waving from your Porsche)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭HGVRHKYY


    "people leader" is such a cringey term to use instead of just "manager", are people seriously calling themselves people leaders these days? Nauseating



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    Depending on the industry, there is a big difference between 'leading' and 'managing', and the difference in title can give a pretty clear indication as to what the company expects from someone in that role.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,954 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Would it not be the same as a team leader?

    Depends on the industry and reporting structure I suppose.

    In my place a manager might have 20 people reporting into him but it's subdivided to 3 or 4 team leaders , each team would have completely different tasks, experience and deadlines but they all fall under an "umbrella" function, hence manager who then reports into department head.

    Now the term "talent acquisition" is the one I completely roll my eyes at 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Is it written than people managers should get paid more than their reports?

    Every org has people managers, they're usually ten a penny. In my field, it's their reports who have specialised and sought after skills and usually make more than the managers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Time to use that title to bag a higher paying job elsewhere.



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