The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

And the nonsense from this poster continues , dismisses everything from everyone , going on and on with his anti Dublin agenda.

Of course not everyone wants Dublin to be split into multiple teams. We can see that from this thread alone. Just like not everyone has a problem with the dour, negative style of play is now common, that Dublin introduced and perfected in the late 2010s. But the point holds that they are widespread opinions nonetheless. I'm happy for you to do your own research on other commentators who endorse Dublin being split- you don't get to decide that 3 is the number at which it becomes acceptable. We've proved that Colm O'Rourke endorses the position, and yes he is a mainstream commentator (not that this is even necessary for legitimacy, just making the point). So the opinion is out there. We saw funding etc being discussed on The Sunday Game, Prime Time even over the years. People just don't like Dublin alone being favoured.

I admitted I had a dog in the fight in the sense that I advocated something that helped all counties, as I repeatedly said. I make no bones about that, I want what is best for the GAA. So if I was from any county, I was helped by splitting Dublin, as the benefits are so widespread and so significant.

I don't see the need in re-litigating the Leitrim benefits. I proved conclusively, repeatedly, before that yes, splitting Dublin helps Leitrim. But briefly, as every county who participates in inter-county football is harmed by Dublin being uniquely unfairly advantaged, every county benefits from splitting Dublin and dispersing these unfair advantages among several teams, including Leitrim (and Dublin also). I can't point to specific games, scorelines etc, just as we can't point to how Dublin would have performed specifically without Cluxton- we just know they'd have performed worse. But we know interest and participation would increase in Leitrim, and they'd have been helped by a split of Dublin.

They didn't win 14 in a row fairly because they are uniquely unfairly advantaged. Even from the point of view of the final being in their home stadium, it's ridiculous. The sprinting analogy shows how a competitor can be unfairly advantaged even if they don't win every year- just as in Dublin's case.

As before, a split enhances the prestige, integrity and fairness as it diminishes Dublin's unfair advantages. Not perfect, and a solution I was reluctant to arrive at but sadly it is the best available to us. I have referred you to previous posts because I've answered your questions so many times already! The bad faith posting is you expecting me to educate you over and over again. Yes, I have been patient with you and yes, you probably have learned a lot, but there is only so many times I can lay out the facts before it becomes tiresome.

There are population discrepancies between all counties but as Dublin are such an extreme outlier, it is worse than between Cork and Leitrim. THe gap between Dublin and Cork is larger than the gap between Cork and Leitrim for instance- and Cork don't have all the other advantages that Dublin have either!

I'm open to voluntary amalgamations, but a split of Dublin should happen on a mandatory basis. This is because amalgamations don't address Dublin's unfair advantages, whereas a split of Dublin does.

So we see again the clear and obvious benefits to the GAA that come from splitting Dublin alone.

I definitely agree that a competitive All-Ireland needs to address a much longer history of unfair advantages. Unfortunately this again means that Dublin alone should be split as they are the only team historically unfairly advantaged. Population alone was always a reason for Dublin to be split, as they are such an outlier there. It has become worse over the years as there population has grown, the funding kicked in, they were allowed to start playing NFL games in Croke Park but there can be no doubt that Dublin always were unfairly advantaged vs everyone else.

As I've explained before, success alone is not a problem, as in Kilkenny's case. Whereas competing from an unfairly advantaged position is a big problem, win or lose- as in Dublin's case. So no other county or province needs corrective action as no other county has the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of unfair advantages that Dublin do. Yes, there are discrepanies between counties in say population, but nothing like with Dublin. So while Provincials should probably be scrapped regardless, the reforms I'm proposing will help all provinces if they do continue to exist, as is likely. The first thing to do with Provincials would be to place them in their wider context of all inter-county GAA. Then we would see again the need to split Dublin to help all counties. Funding from all sources should be equalised too, but the first, most important and beneficial step for any GAA reforms is to split Dublin.

Apologies on the stadia, I did misunderstand you, I thought you meant for Dublin alone. While this proposal isn't as bad, I wouldn't be in favour of it still. Leinster has become an absolute shambles, interest and competition is rapidly dying as Dublin continue to win off of their platform of unfair advantages. It's beyond a joke by this stage, it's by far the worst provincial competition nowadays. So building new stadia won't help- interest will continue to dwindle without Dublin being split so there won't be any "substantial fan demand"! They'd still be empty as there wouldn't be the supporters to fill them. Far better to dedicate our energies and money to more productive areas, like splitting Dublin before we undertake any other reforms. Perhaps after that we could look at new stadia, but not before. Dublin already have a home ground, built for them by the GAA, another way they have been favoured, so they definitely don't need a new one.

The standard 21st Century approach when someone has lost an argument! I'm not on the wind-up- I appreciate you are partisan so it may be hard for you to empathise with someone who truly has a neutral and unbiased view but I genuinely just want what is best for the GAA.

Again more nonsense from this poster

People who don't want Dublin split, Don't want Dublin split end of. Its not going to happen anyway

Kerry are unfairly advantaged in Munster for over 100 years ,they should be split or put into Connaught

This way Munster will recover in time and Kerry would also benefit from this and hopefully they would stop playing the dour football they started after 2011 and perfected over the last 13 years trying to prevent Dublin winning 6 in a row.

No, Dublin alone should be split. It's because Dublin alone have the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of unfair advantages in population, funding, playing at home etc. As they're the only county which is a complete outlier, they're the only county which should be split.

It's not about hobbling a county, or even just because of their success, the destruction of the Leinster Championship etc- it's because their success has come via competing from an unfairly advantaged position. So Dublin alone should be split to help the GAA in all counties.

God almighty this poster has repeated this nonsense hundreds of times

Over and over again , nothing new to see here !!

This is actually a massive breakthrough! You've now accepted there are circumstances where you are wiling for Dublin to be split. Blanch152 is the same, although he/she has accepted numerous times in the past that they are open to splitting Dublin. Whereas you've previously said Dublin should never be split. I did say people could be convinced to change their minds on this and it looks like I was right.

Whereas I have never accepted that any county other than Dublin should be split. This is because the unfair advantages that Dublin enjoy do not exist in any other county. That's why I say that Dublin alone should be split to enhance the prestige, integrity and fairness of inter-county gaelic games.

Exactly, you indicated you were open to splitting Dublin, under certain circumstances. This is a massive breakthrough. Whereas I have never indicated an openness to splitting any other county.

You need to take a step back here. Drop the Dublin partisanship and assess things in a neutral way. Dublin alone are complete outliers in population, far above the median population, multiple standard deviations away. Dublin alone are uniquely overfunded relative to everyone else, by whatever metric you want to look at. Dublin alone play almost all consequential games in their home stadium. There are other advantages and factors in their success, but these three reasons are the main things to consider when we say that Dublin are uniquely unfairly advantaged. No other county has these advantages in combination, in the scale that Dublin enjoy, had them persist for decades etc.

As transfers are exceedingly rare, a larger population results in a far larger playing pool, meaning more top-class footballers. The money helps to develop these players, among other things. Playing at home helps Dublin eke out victories in close games they might otherwise draw or lose.

So drop the partisan lens for a moment. If you assess these advantages properly, in a neutral, unbiased way, we see that Dublin alone should be split. As they are the only county uniquely unfairly advantaged. Contrary to what you think, this is actually a pro-Dublin position! All counties benefit from this, and while Dublin's benefits are different in certain ways to other counties, it would be very positive for the GAA in the county too. Supporters don't like Dublin competing from an unfairly advantaged position. The Leinster Championship is dying a death. If we split Dublin and disperse their unfair advantages, while not the only reform needed, it goes a long to fixing the issues for the GAA.