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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • #32192
    thatsdaft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Politically speaking we have the concept of Citizen Assembly

    Perhaps an assembly could be convened and populated with Scientists and Engineers from across Irish industry and academia

    These lads and lassies can then discuss and put forward a few proposals (including concrete timelines and costs) for several scenarios:

    • do nothing scenario
    • offshore wind scenario, it be nice to get costs for this, and glaring holes raised in this thread addressed
    • Nuclear scenario
    • A mix of above
    • Something else, some blue sky thinking approach no one yet thought off

    Instead we just have vague and fluffy hand waving from Eamon Ryan and representatives of the wind lobby who are already raking in massive profits at expensive of Irish taxpayers who have the highest electricity costs in world



  • #32193
    roosterman71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122519655#Comment_122519655

    Some of the profits are the fault of the CRU apparently

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    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wind-energy-companies-blame-regulator-for-rise-in-prices-as-new-figures-show-bumper-profits/a679904033.html



  • #32194
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,157 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122519565#Comment_122519565

    … when a political party is a minor party in a coalition government capable of collapsing that government if it so wishes, it`s role in decision making is often of a higher status than it`s electoral support would suggest.

    While government decisions are made at collective cabinet level, the proposals that reach cabinet level come from the various Ministers and Ministers of State who autonomously run their own fiefdoms within government. Of those we have Eamon Ryan Minister for Environment, Climate, Communications and Transport. Pippa Hackett Minister of State for Land Use and Biodiversity. Malcolm Noonan Minister of State for Heritage and Electoral Reform. Catherine Martin Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht and Media.

    Those aren`t positions in government that ere randomely allocated to the Irish Green Party. They are positions that were requirements for them agreeing to form government. When it comes to energy generation and land use in particular then I cannot see how the Greens can be given a pass with the blame going to FF & FG.

    If I blame FF & FG for anything it`s not staring the Irish Green Party down on their culling cattle nonsense which could have gone a long way in preventing this offshore wind plan becoming the fiasco it is now showing itself to be.



  • #32195
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,157 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122519645#Comment_122519645

    If people are interested in the economics of zero emissions generation then they need to take a look at the present economics of renewables and nuclear.

    Our ORESS strike price for offshore, without all the hydrogen add-ons, is on a par with Hinkley C, the most expensive nuclear plant those opposed to nuclear can find. The recent re-negotiated strike prices for offshore wind alone by Orsted and Equinor in the U.S. are the same. And that is before taking into consideration the lifespan or capacity factor of both and the subsequent capital costs that will be required for wind during the lifespan of a nuclear plant.



  • #32196
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122520091#Comment_122520091

    Almost all the reasons why the UK AGR program was a disaster are mega-project management screwups that could easily affect renewable projects, but that is too inconvenient for certain people.

    I doubt Ireland will change course until the energy mix is wind and blackouts.



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  • #32197
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,157 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122520298#Comment_122520298

    Following the present plan unfortunately that is not just the most likely outcome, but one that will leaves us so financially indebted we will be unable to follow any other course.

    Others can look on that however they wish, but for me, with the refusal of the relevant minister to provide the cost of what is being proposed, and for greens who support it who run for cover everytime they are asked the same, that is the real agenda behind this proposal.



  • #32198
    whatever.
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭whatever.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489393#Comment_122489393

    A 100 years ago there wasn't 8 billion people.

    When we left the planet there was circa 3 billion people, therefore your retort is entirely discredited.

    Population decline will raise everyone's living standards and more specifically the living standards in the countries of people of colour who are overpopulated and would have starved if Europe and North America had not intervened.

    Almost all Africans would starve if not for food imports (circa 90%), population needs to match resources to be sustainable, that's simply it.



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