Dangerous Dogs Owners

Oh fúck, really? Who said that?

A ban is only as good as its enforcement. Hopefully it is enforced strictly otherwise some may take it into their own hands.

It's not mental as you say, ban will bring no positives. If any of what people are saying is true (as in that only scumbags have these dogs), do you think they will obey the law? I don't think so. Do you think breeding these dogs in Ireland will stop? I don't think so. Do you think it will actually be enforced? I don't think so.

So we could potentially end up with plenty of banned dogs which won't be socialised, trained, no vet visits etc., because owners will try to hide them. Now try to imagine what will happen, when some of those dogs will manage to escape. And it will happen. Generally situation around the dogs in Ireland is fooking bad, but this legislation will only make it worse.

Breed specific legislation doesn't work, there's plenty of research done on that matter. If you are any good with Google, there's even Irish study done.

end up with plenty of banned dogs which won't be socialised, trained, no vet visits etc., because owners will try to hide them. Now try to imagine what will happen, when some of those dogs will manage to escape. .

The whole problem is that these dog owners won’t train them, won’t look after them, let them escape. We’re already living this, so if a ban at least dramatically reduces the number of these yokes, then that’s a good thing because it must reduce the risk

Doing nothing - as you’re so insistently proposing - isn’t an option. An outright ban isn’t perfect but it’s the only option really.

The ban doesn't go far enough. Those breeds or close relatives should be destroyed.

Taken from the web.

"An Garda Síochána has issued a clear warning to dog owners that farmers are “within their rights to shoot any animal” that is worrying sheep or other livestock."

Seems clear cut to me.

Must be some crack conducting Garda raids

These dogs coming at you as soon as you get in

Another option is legislation to hold owners of dogs directly responsible for the dogs actions. If my dog attacks someone, I should be charged with assault, etc. Whatever charge that correlates to what the dog did should get applied to me, up to and including manslaughter.

As a dog owner, I think this should be enforced. Whatever my dog does is my responsibility/fault and I should be held accountable. If you don't accept that, don't get a dog.

I think nearly everyone who is saying a ban is a waste of time are saying enforcement is the issue. And I think nearly all of them are calling for better regulations and enforcement around dog ownership. I know I am. I'd have no issue with much harsher punishments, including prison sentences, for people breaking the law when it comes to owning a dog.

Was that my argument?

I think that argument can be applied to any law though. Enforcement is an issue generally in this country.

However, I think law does act as a deterrent. If something is made illegal, whether enforced or not, less people will do it. Very few people picked up dog poo before it became illegal not to do so. Now most do, in spite of little enforcement. A minority will always ignore the law and do what suits them.

Yes that argument can be applied to any law and enforcement is an issue in general.

As for picking up dog ****, I feel that was more a societal change that led to people doing it rather than the risk of fines. Same with littering, everyone knows it's illegal and could result in a fine but never happens (not referring to fly tipping just general littering).

The crack down really needs to start with breeding and buying of dogs but it would take a massive effort to be proactive about that and that's never going to happen.

The burden of proof is entirely on you to show that it was an extreme circumstance and you were unable to contact gardai.

How many unanswered calls constitutes 'unable to contact the Gardaí?' Two, three, fifteen? Rang two local stations several times each to report joyriders in the local area only last month - no answer on the phones.

my neighbours sheep come into my fields every day they have broken my fences by knocking the walls, and they drink from my clean water trough and consume my grass and the mineral lick for my horses. My shepherd herds these sheep out to my boundary every day he is intelligent and knows his job. He is not a dangerous dog.

he is very gentle & quiet until someone unknown to him comes to the house then he will be on guard and until identified as a known person like a gardener or a workman he will be very intimidating. i dont have a gun he is my gun he is not a dangerous dog but i am quite sure if a person is mis behaving on the premises or is dis respectful to me he will engage and like the sheep he will put them out. I value this dog. I have trained him i realise his intelligence and i respect his space and look after him well. he will never harm me. A lot of people under estimate their dogs and therin lies the fault.

This is correct, I've had to shoot numerous dogs over the years for worrying sheep, on my own and on neighbours land and it's never been an issue with the Gardai

Another small child seriously injured by the family pet, this time in Kerry.

What are people thinking? Why put your need to have a dangerous dog at home over the life of your newly born child?

Another family now having to live with the aftermath of a dog attack, where no doubt they often told visitors and friends how gentle their dog was and how it wouldn't harm a fly.

Regardless of what you state Boetstark the reality is dogs are shot in fields for worrying livestock all the time. I've done it myself. I then told the owner and the gardaí. The owner realised he fucked up and was apologetic and the Five-0 had no issue.

Another family now having to live with the aftermath of a dog attack

Well, if it was their dog in their home, I hope they are criminally charged in the same way they would if the dog had attacked a stranger.

It's the 12-month old who really has to live with the aftermath.

A big rotwieler i think it was ran up to my niece when we were in the park and scared the living daylights out of us all. It didnt bite but jumped on her. The owner comes over all friendly and say "he wont touch you he is just being friendly", as if that made it ok that a 5 year old is now terrified of any dog.

Keep your dogs on a leash and far away from other people. If your dog (be it a poodle or a bully) runs up to people in their personal space, whether its attacking them or not, you dont have control of it. You dont deserve to own a dog.

These dogs are all fine and friendly … until they arent.

Talk about slippery slope fallacy. We most certainly can ban animals that are dangerous from being around humans.

Poor little kid. We’ve a 14 month old here and that story ran a shiver up my spine.

Big exotic cats are banned. I'm not aware of a general problem arising from that so I'd say it works.

you would like to think they would be having 2nd thoughts.

I would bet you that every single one of them is thinking "well I'm glad that my dog would never attack my child, sure he's part of the family"

Every. Single. One.