Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

yes i know how the college system works. no system is perfect . its historically incorrect to say all elections in the states are 50/50. reagan, clinton practically walked in both terms same with Bush. I do agree this one is 50/50 though. in my own opinion the trial outcome will have a negligible effect on the outcome of this election, Everyone knows what trump is and getting a suspended sentence with a fine isnt going to shift the neddle.

What data source are you using to present your assertion as fact? Most of the gains for Harris since her announcement fall within the margin of error. Please don’t treat polling data as if it’s an absolute reflection of reality.

You should also recall what the polls were indicating in 2016 and 2020, which is typical for polling data. Polls are complex and don't support the conclusion you're making.

Hmmm...

Not seeing it personally. Is it safe to assume you're a republican?

I know, right? I mean it's not like the economic circumstances of the country was different when they took office, that they were dealing with a post-Covid economy, inflation was only starting and their policies throughout have been in terms of managing rising inflation, and now that inflation is falling they can implement different policies to address the effect the on-going cost of living issues.

They expect people to believe that policies have to adapt, change and evolve based on the circumstances? Nah. I think Trump has the right idea. Just say he'll fix the economy without giving any details as to how, and claim it'll be the best economy ever. Who needs details when you have "Drill Baby Drill"?

The fact that Donnie is in it at all makes the election cycle depressing. The fact that he still even has a bit of chance makes the election cycle depressing.

Harris is the only viable option frankly. The alternative is the rise of a facist state built arond the fragile ego of one pathetic lonely old man. (As you can guess…I don't like Donnie)

But what makes Harris "terrible" in your mind? She may have potentially the failings of a typical Corporate Democrat…but why is she "terrible"? Bonus points if you tell us without using the word "Communist" or alluding to the lack of sit down interviews.

Biden largely won in 2020 for the exact same reason though; it was more an anti-Trump vote for a lot of people rather than being in any way excited for Joe Biden to be President. And he was largely invisible as Obama's VP for two terms as Harris has been for him. VP's generally aren't so publicly visible as the President.

But yes, Harris will pick up a lot of votes where people don't like her, they just like Trump a whole lot less. The same thing benefitted Trump in 2016 where people hated Hillary so either didn't vote or voted for Trump largely just because he was such an unknown in terms of how he'd do politically. Trump no longer has that benefit because he's an absolute known quantity at this stage, and there will certainly be a strong anti-Trump vote.

I'd actually say my personal opinion of Harris has shifted since she became the candidate. A lot of Hillary Clinton's issue was she simply wasn't very likable. I thought Harris would have a similar issue but she and Walz have come across as a great combo. Biden was not motivating voters to go out and vote IMHO but Harris has entirely reenergized the campaign so I'd say you're underestimating how liked she actually is.

The RTE coverage of the convention circus is particularly nauseating this time.

"Abrasive demeanour" and the whole Border thing that the GOP exhasperated themselves by blocking bills at Donnie's behest.

Thank you for actually fulfilling my request by not just leaning into the whole "Commie" thing, I actually appriciate it. I don't agree with you, but it's at least something.

Now, let's put the whole Trump Derangement Syndrome to one side, and consider people's attitudes to him. He is pretty hated / disliked by an awful lot of people, not only in the States, but around the world. It's not an unfounded feeling, since he has fostered and supported the very worst in society to come out in support racism & hatred of the "other". He has dramatically lowered the bar usually expected for public office and all manner destructive individuals have come forward to try to do that same as him. One such example (George Santos) just got jailed for massive fraud after having a record short tenure in Congress for being nothing but a fraudster. These may have existed pre-Trump, but it was Donnie who normalised it for them. He is hated, but that hatred is built from his actions, that hatred is rational and not "rabid".

Some of Harris' popularity might be down to the simple fact that she isn't Trump, but as pointed out by others her inclusion into the race has generated a degree of excitment that wasn't even there for Biden in 2020. People not only want to vote against Trump, but they also want to vote for her.

Harris isn't perfect, not by a long shot, but she is far and beyond a better option for America than Trump ever was. There are certainly better options out there too, but a win for Harris will at least make those options possible in future. A win for Trump may see him try to remove those options for a generation….or more.

Biden was not showing signs of cognitive decline, he was simply getting old. Words were getting elusive, he was getting tired more easily. That is not cognitive decline, it happens to most people as they get into their 80s. They know what they want to say but the words do not obey. Cognitive decline is (among other things) not being aware of what you are trying to say.

I agree that it was better that he stepped down. Whatever the reason for the problems, he was becoming less able to cope with the pressures of the job. It is the very fact that he was able to do it graciously, and supporting his potential successor that points up the difference between him and Trump, Trump could not even lose an election graciously, much less be aware that he is no longer competent.

It's a safe bet….the question is what form would that refusal would take?

Last time he was in the Oval Office, so he tried (and failed) to use the levers of office to prevent him from being unseated. In the end he resorted to sicking the Gravy Seals onto the Capitol to try to just end Democracy. That didn't work either.

This time around….? Hard to know. Will he flee the country? Will he try Jan 6.2? Or will he just try to repeat what he did 4 years ago in the hope that he can sit on the GOP ticket for another 4 years to try again in 2028, while the Q-Anon loons make up stuff about Trump being re-installed as President any day now.

Really hard to guess at this time. We'll have to see what state he's in by November.