Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

My citation does not attribute anything to refugees. It is a report about the terrible circumstances faced by one particular group of refugees, where some of the perpetrators are also refugees and some belong to other groups.

Do you (and others here) genuinely not see that distinction?

Let's work with a very simple example. Based on all the recent all-ireland wins, do you think Limerick people are better at hurling than other Irish people?

Remember Simon Harris' get tough stance of illegal immigration before the Euros/Local elections? Didn't last long did it.

Simon Harris was never going to do anything I'm afraid. It's his own Justice Minister who is directly responsible for much of the current situation - both directly at the point of entry, and later through the rewarding of anyone who hangs around long enough with Irish citizenship. Plus Harris himself is the weakest of the recent lot of Taoiseagh we've had in decades - no mean achievement considering even his most recent 2 predecessors!

As someone said above, the media are now normalising the attacks and intimidation - enabled also in part by our weak justice system (McEntee again!) that supports a revolving door for these individuals even when they ARE prosecuted. In parallel of course the bleating about the 'Far Right' continues apace and the minimising of any details where it's not a local Irish involved.

Our country is slowly coming apart at the seams. The social contract has been shredded and it's no longer just the average taxpayer who's been taken for a mug, but Irish natives as well! Objecting to, or even just questioning, resettlement programmes in the community has become a dirty practise - bluntly lumped in with accusations of antisocial behaviour and racism or extremism by those who are either directly facilitating all this, or who are tethered to them by the incestuous relationship that exists between the political parties and those supposed to report and hold them accountable.

Add to that a growing group of opportunists making a fortune from the seemingly limitless amount of taxpayers money being thrown at this effort, and it's not at all surprising that Harris isn't going to change much - never forget that this is a guy with NO qualifications, NO experience of ANYTHING outside of the FG party, and NO influence on anyone.

It's hugely telling that far more senior people stood back or have announced their intentions to quit in the near future. Harris is merely a caretaker, a placeholder until the election, Taoiseach by "default", and it shows! I wasn't impressed by him when he first appeared in ill-fitting suits on TV years ago and he's achieved nothing to change my mind since.

The biggest issue though is the shifts in our formerly generally easy going, tolerant (or at least apathetic) and open society. The problems we're now seeing are only going to increase as they have in other countries where this experiment has been tried and failed. Those already in the system and legitimised (or on their way to such), and those already here illegally aren't going anywhere. Entire communities and towns are seeing their demographics shift rapidly and while this isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own, it's not encouraging when separate parallel communities are taking hold. Communities that may not feel any particular loyalty or obligations or even respect for/to those who accepted and welcomed them not that long ago.

Part of the blame for this is of course on the support structures of the State - but as anyone who's had the misfortune of dealing with the HSE or Welfare departments will know, this is hardly surprising or likely to change.

The ones who are and will continue to lose out are the same people expected to live with the problems and consequences of this crusade. Those expected to pay for it in taxation while simultaneously see their own needs (and those of their children) pushed down the list in favour of randomers with no ties, no loyalty or potentially even no identity to this country.

It's a country that will be unrecognisable in the years to come at the rate of change and pressure being placed upon it now. If or indeed when the next financial crunch hits we'll see the depth of it exposed rapidly - as happened before, many will simply leave and leave the rest of us holding the bag.

As that old curse goes - "May you live in interesting times!"…. Well, I fear things are going to get a LOT more 'interesting' yet, and sooner rather later! This isn't decades away, it's happening now!

All I can suggest is to use your vote wisely in the upcoming elections. Vote the issues not the individuals or the parties. Support your communities and engage in the process - be informed, make your views known and heard (peacefully and democratically obviously!), and demand accountability from your councillors and TDs on the issues that matter - and I don't mean pothole filling.

It's the only way to ensure that that same voice will still be heard in the years and decades to come.

If you do not legally enter a country, you shouldn't be there. If you legally enter a country and commit crime, you should not be allowed stay.

Now I'll give you a slight benefit of the doubt and allow you to cry about fraud sometimes being conflated with paying the wrong fare. I am not saying people should be deported for innocently forgetting to tag onto the luas with a leap card. Honest mistakes happen. But we all know what constitutes crime. You need to take into consideration the motive, the victim and the severity of the crime.

So now your position is that people who commit crimes in countries of which they are not citizens, should be considered normal or desirable?

Still beating that tired worn out old drum about Irish undocumented. Which is totally different to the chancers we have rocking up here claiming they have no documentation, I can bet that the vast majority of Irish undocumented will have entered that country with a valid passport and visa and did not try hide who they were or claim asylum under false pretenses. Also if the Irish undocumented person is caught by Immigration in that country they are deported from that country and banned from entering that country again for a number of years, here they are given a passport and told to go on your way.

Ridiculous comparison, you are grasping at straws defending this.

You can talk nonsense about undocumented Irish all you want but the countries they are entering aren't handing them a weekly payment and a nice modular home worth 200k. It's not comparable.

I don't think it's just me who sees the relationship between those involved with spreading anti-immigration hate and homophopic and transphopic hate.

https://edmohub.ie/index.php/profile-of-anti-immigration-parties/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41405723.html

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41190085.html

https://journals-sagepub-com.dcu.idm.oclc.org/doi/10.1177/02610183211063402

As for the turning on the disabled if you go back a few pages you'll see posters here defending referring to people on disability benefits as 'scammers' etc, as they do with IPAs.

Of course I appreciate there are those within the anti-immigration movement who would find such views as abhorrent as the rest of us but clearly there are those who also wish to spread hate towards the LGBTQ and disabled communities.

As I've said before I don't think too much in terms of what political affiliations people claim. Whether people call themselves nationalists, far-right, community protestors etc is much of a muchness really.

The common-denominator that I see is the use of hateful rhetoric.

Whether that's yourself describing the Irish undocumented abroad as 'degenerates' that have 'lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable', or claiming that 'the people who have the least tolerance for LGBTQ+ people are the people from different cultures', or other posters using terms like 'bogus' and 'scammers' to refer to IPAs, there's a clear and obvious common message.