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Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭wassie


    This is my biggest gripe about Brexit. Ireland is the only major RHD car market in Europe and once the UK left, so did our ready access to the biggest source of used cars.

    All of the rules around Customs, NI protocol, County of Origin etc has all but crippled private imports. End result is the Irish consumer ends up paying more, as going through dealers means a markup by the middle-man.

    Such is the madness of all of this is that importing from Japan can be a viable alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    Don’t know why it’s a good thing. Unless you’re part of the car sales industry they maybe that’s a good thing. I got a car from NI before brexit, if I went with the dealership in ROI I would be €10k extra out of pocket than what I paid over in NI plus VRT and for lesser spec’d version. The joke was that it had NI plates in the boot.

    Even the level of customer service was miles ahead of the ROI dealership. I got picked up from the train station, got some extra goodies and tank full of petrol for the drive back to Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Thats a completely different scenario. The scenario we are discussing is re routing UK registering cars through NI. If everyone takes the piss registering cars up North for 3 months they will just close the loophole like they do with everything else that is abused. Sure it would be great if we could all just register a car up there for 1 day and bring it down here but that was never going to happen and would obviously be abused so I think the 3 month rule is fair enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,454 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    more importantly, if it is widespread and an abuse of U.K. internal market rules (ie GB to NI transfers) then you can guarantee that there will be prosecutions on the NI citizenry who engage in it. That’s exactly what HMRC and CPS/DPP(NI) like doing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Alt AC


    Late to the party and obviously should've read this first 🙈 I've paid €7800 to customs and €6500 VRT on a car bought in the UK. Please tell me I couldn't have saved myself those costs by registering the car to someone in NI for 3 months 😭😭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Luna84


    Yes you could have. It's illegal but you could have.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Alt AC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    How is it illegal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Re routing a UK car through NI to avoid paying import duties is probably VAT fraud etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    What made you import from the UK? Did you not make yourself aware of the costs involved?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    I’d like to see the legislation on that because I think you’re wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,454 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    I can assist you but you need to lay out your proposed facts; some pertinent questions will be:


    who will

    Identify and decide to purchase the car from the GB dealer?

    Who will fund that purchase?

    How will the car be moved from GB to NI - which person will drive it and what ferry will be used (this does have a significant impact on U.K. position)?

    What will the NI resident do with the car? Will they be insured to drive it? Will it be SORN’d in the U.K.?

    How will the putative sale from NI resident to ROI resident be documented? And funded/evidenced?


    tax is complex; I have been working it now for 35 years. Answer the questions and I will assist you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 rob_satellites


    The things we have to do in this country just to buy a car for it's original price 🥴🥴🥴🥴



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Exiled Rebel


    In 2022 I bought a 5 year old high spec Seat Ateca in England for the equivalent of €15.5k at the exchange rate at the time. I was living in London and planning to move home. That happened recently and I availed of the exemption. Everything above board etc. etc.

    I will keep it for the mandatory 12 months. Looking at Done Deal I reckon (after 3 years of ownership and having put an estimated 100,000km up on the clock) as a trade-in it'll worth somewhere between 12 to €14k next summer. 2017 Seat Ateca's with similar mileage are currently on sale north of 16k. My point though is when I bought the car 2022 the equivalent Ateca was 22/23k here while I paid 15.5k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭mcw92


    I would say the Usedcarsni is an estimate and that's it. Try get a V5C from a seller, even just private, of the same spec of car and put it into the revenue calculator for a better idea.

    Also that sounds like the CO2 figure you have, NOx on the site is like 0.014 or that for the ones I check. Not all have it though.

    The V5C will also have it similar, so 0.012 in my picture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Keep_Her_Lit


    Hi there, I’d appreciate an opinion on buying a car from Northern Ireland which originated in Japan. As I understand it, if the car was imported from Japan directly to NI and customs/VAT was paid in NI, there will be no additional customs/VAT payable and only VRT will be charged.

    However, if the car was imported from Japan to England, then subsequently re-registered in NI, this may not be the case. The following statement appears on citizensinformation.ie: “If you buy a vehicle from Northern Ireland, you do not have to make a customs declaration. But you must have proof that a customs declaration was made when the vehicle arrived in Northern Ireland from Great Britain (if applicable).”

    Is this statement also true if the car originated in Japan? If so, would a suitable customs declaration be sufficient to avoid customs/VAT charges? Thanks for any advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Alt AC


    Yes I did make myself aware of the costs involved, I've done it with a previous car too. I wanted a particular spec model that wasn't available here. I just wasn't aware there was a way of avoiding the costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭mcw92


    Does anyone know for the proof, if the MOT completed in NI is fine, if the garage had the car when it was completed ?

    Car is a trade in from NI customers, but the only main proof right now is an MOT the garage did 3 months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,454 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    that’s only proof that the garage owned it 3 months ago and that doesn’t help as needs to be in private ownership. The garage should have the V5C which hopefully has the prior owner’s NI address and the date of their acquisition which would be perfect proof. A new V5C is not issued when the vehicle is acquired by a trader.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18 Doonbegman


    Sorry if this has been answered all ready, but can anyone recommend a good customs clearance agent? Also provided I have the customs deceleration done before I collect the car, can I drive the car back myself from the UK or do I have to have it transported. (The car is a 1989 Peugeot 205) . Thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Yes you can drive it back but if your going to declare it beforehand you’ll need someone who can also deal with the UK export procedures as well as the Irish import procedures. I used CarClear.ie for this a few times



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    I know it's a little off topic but I'm looking at a car that was originally a UK car but now on irish plates...

    Just wondering if I do a car check will the UK mileage come up if I don't know the original UK reg?

    Done the checks before but can't remember



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Yes as long as you pay for an Irish & UK check



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    Great thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 dar-griff222


    Any takers for this lads? Still none the wiser to be honest, seller says he'll gladly change ownership to himself but not sure how to proceed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Currently you’ll have to pay VAT and customs. If the seller transfers it to his name and you wait a few months it may be a different outcome.

    Edit: Actually no customs as its vintage. Only VAT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Imported a UK reg car yesterday that had been in the North since 2023. No VAT or customs required



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭TheBetsy


    Great to know thanks, was it a private sale or a dealer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭stooge


    question → if you have relatives living in Ni…and not in a hurry to buy….. does it make sense to purchase up north in relatives name then transfer here after 3 months? Use a skoda kodiaq as an example

    ~60k euro ROI brand new

    ~49k euro uk brand new

    saving of 11k?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Well what you describe is somewhat illegal.. But you have to pay VAT if your importing a brand new car here anyway regardless of it being registered in Northern Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Keep in mind "new" for vat purposes is under 6 months old and under 6,000 km. Even if the car is 1.5 years old but under 6000 km they consider it new.

    So if the relatives bought new they would need to keep it for over 6 months and do over 6k km.

    Then no vat or customs would be due, just the usual vrt / nox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭stooge


    not sure what is illegal about it? Is it breaking a law?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭stooge


    thanks for the explanation, the 6k would be more of an issue than anything else!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    Thinking of importing a UK reg classic car from the north (1986 reg)

    I entered some basic details into the VRT calculator and it tells me that it will only cost 200 euro - i wonder is this correct?

    Because of it's classic status - am i still liable for customs/ import charges?

    The information out there is sketchy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    Of course its correct. The information is readily available on Revenues website.

    Only VAT is due on vintage cars, no customs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,454 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    yes; it’s the offence of making a gain or causing a loss (the tax properly payable) by deception (falsely asserting that the car was truly bought by the NI person). It’s a minor enough one though, only up to 10 years in jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Luna84


    It’s a minor enough one though, only up to 10 years in jail.

    Imagine getting 10 years for that offence. There are people who killed someone who would have got less jail time than you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭stooge


    the car would have been truly bought by a NI person…… still fail to see how it could be illegal?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Only a few weeks ago people were suggesting to make up a name and put it on the v5. So don't know what's changed, maybe revenue have joined the chat 😕.

    I have a question though, how is the car going to be paid for?

    If it's you giving your relative €49k to buy the car by transfer or cash then that would be a major line in an investigation if one was ever to occur in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    You said “Purchase up North in relatives name”

    That means, you purchase the car and register it in your relatives name…

    For the purpose of avoiding import tax and VAT…

    Connecting the dots yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭stooge


    I get your point, so car paid for by the initial purchaser with their money is ok then. thanks for claryfying



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 BMW318iSEAuto


    Just purchased a fully loaded 330e (first registered in Jan 2020) from Bavarian BMW in Belfast. It was in GB as a demonstrator for a year before Bavarian sold it to a private buyer in the North in 2021. They then sold it back to Bavarian.

    The CO2 on the V5C was showing as 38 so assumed I'd be paying 7% VRT. However, at my appointment at the VRT office in Greenhills, I was charged 9% as they said the CO2 for vehicles registered pre-April 2020 was on the NEDC scale. They said they needed to convert this to WLTP using the formula 38 x 0.9 +34, resulting in a new CO2 rating of c.68. This meant paying another €550.

    I then requested a CoC from BMW and, thankfully, it showed both NEDC at 38 and WLTP at 36. I duly made an appeal to revenue and, after two days, I was told that I would be getting a refund of €550 based on the CoC WLTP rating.

    I hope this helps somebody that may find themselves in a similar situation. The only thing I'd do differently is get the CoC before going to pay the VRT.

    All in all, I paid c.€28,500 inc. VRT. Similar spec/mileage models on Carzone are advertised between €33-38k, so definitely worth the effort. And, as it was an Approved Used BMW car, it came with 12 months international warranty and roadside assistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I am thinking of switching car, and I am considering going to NI, but this is all new to me, so I appreciate any advice.

    I want to check am I missing something.

    I am looking for Skoda Karoq 2020.

    I am somewhat aware of the Windsor Framework.

    I looked up www.usedcarsni.com, and I searched for 2020 Karoq models with 1.0 L engines.

    I find a SE model with a 1.0L TSI petrol engine asking 12,800 GBP, which is equivalent to 15,100 euro approx.

    I then check the Revenue VRT calculator, and the combined VRT and NoX is 3,539.

    Added together, that is 18,700 approx.

    When I look on DoneDeal for similar 2020 models, they are asking from 24k upwards.

    Am I missing something? Is it really 5k cheaper? Is there some catch that I am missing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 BMW318iSEAuto


    Just ensure that the VRC shows that a private individual owned the car for at least 3 months in NI.

    Also, as per my post above, if the car was first registered in UK prior to April 2020, revenue will recalculate the CO2 figure shown on the VRC using the formula CO2 x 0.9 +34. This may or may not put it in a different VRT bracket. Try and get hold of the CoC from VW/Skoda if you can to see what WLTP figure it shows. If this figure is lower than the re-calculated VRC figure, revenue will acept the CoC version.

    I used to import a car every few years from the UK pre-Brexit. It was so much easier then and with a far greater choice of vehicles available. However, as my 330e acquisition shows, it is still possible to get a bargain up North (compared to prices down here), plus you save on the added costs of ferry etc.

    One last piece of advice, definately don't be afraid to haggle over the price with the dealer/seller up north. If the car has been sitting around on their forecourt for a while, they will be open to offers. Even if it hasn't, still try. I saved £750 off the sticker price on a car that had only just appeared on Autotrader.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Does anybody know what the story is with an ex demo car up the North? It has a Northern Irish registration but it was never privately owned. It is over 6 months old and over 6000km. Is vat and customs due on that scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Oh, that's interesting, I was looking at a car but it was previously owned by a company, is that different?

    The salesman says it isn't an issue when he told me this, (from a Charles Hurst dealership), has given me a copy of the spec page of the V5 but won't give me any more so I'm getting wary, but maybe unnecessarily so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭User1998


    If the car is NI from new then theres no vat or customs. If the car was previously registered in the UK then it needs to be owned privately in the North for 3+ months to qualify as a NI car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper




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