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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    To the numbskull posters wondering why we are so interested in American elections .

    Brush up on your History. European history since about 1870.

    Understand why the world is the way it is.

    Stop coming on here unloading your ignorance making us sift through your primary school understanding of international politics.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The rally in Milwaukee was at the venue used for the RNC convention and it was packed to the rafters , clearly doing this deliberately to troll him.

    While he was holding a tiny event claiming that no one could buy bread without getting raped anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    DNC seems to be going very well.

    The Omamas came out fighting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There's a bit of a festival vibe following it too. You even have some of the late night shows setting up in Chicago to be near the action too.

    Donnie must hate this. I don't remember anything close to that amount of positive vibes surrounding the RNC a few weeks ago. The sudden increase in MAGA apologists might reflect Donnie's rage. Also, we've gone from Harris being a Communist to being stupid to maybe claiming that she's a drunk (based on a poster earlier…don't actually know if that one is being used.)

    Oh Donnie…please please please go one further and just say it: Say she can't be President because she's a woman. We know that's what you think and I'd be so very happy if you just came out and said it. Go on Donnie…I asked nicely….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    In fairness he would know about rape and sexual assault occurring in a store.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,502 ✭✭✭valoren


    The attacks also point out how Harris was the first to drop out during the 2020 primaries, how she only got 5% of the vote etc. As if this is some kind of proof that she is a poor candidate.

    And yet, if we assume this poor candidate is terrible, then the fact she is beating Trump is not quite the gotcha such attacks think it is since it is evident that people are actually willing to support a poor candidate and this then infers that the other candidate must be utterly toxic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,852 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    for anyone who watched, was last night any good ? It's well past my bedtime to stay up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,627 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    As has been remarked on Twitter… the DNC looks like a cross section of all of America.
    The RNC looked like a country club in the Deep South.

    40 out of 44 members of Trump's former administration won't endorse him, no visible support from previous senior Republicans like Bush.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Michelle and Barrack Obama speech knocked it out of park apparently. The big thing I'm picking up is they've finally managed to make the party feel fresh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,627 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You mean she didn't execute a coup on stage to seize the candidacy for the Presidency???

    shock

    Another MAGA conspiracy theory bites the dust. Hard to keep track of them all…
    And there'll be no reflection by posters here who were trying to make hay out of the delay in the Obamas endorsing Harris of how they were duped.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are pictures doing the rounds of the crowds at both with the DNC crowd holding banners saying "USA" and the RNC crowd holding banners saying "Mass deportations NOW"

    Very different vibe entirely



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Micheal Obama says her parents were "suspicious of folks who took more than they needed."

    her pad in Martha's Vineyard …not the one in Hawaii



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    squirrel



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Gaza - while ignoring Trump being best buddies with Netanyahu and publicly calling for them to get what they need to get the job done

    Seemingly, it is not just calling Israel out publicly - apparently the rapist is trying actively discourage a resolution…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,929 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It wasnt packed to the rafters. The crooked dems held it in a phonebox, and squished about 3 people into it to make it look packed. Then AI added some depth to make it look bigger.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Let's be fair - The Republicans have form for this.

    Reagan cut a deal with the Iranians to keep the US Hostages captive until after the Election so he could use it against Jimmy Carter.

    Knowing what we know now , how different a country would the US be today had Carter won that election???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,548 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Those crowds are clearly AI generated, it's blatently obvious /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,929 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yeah, but does Trump think it'll matter? Look at it this way,

    If Biden/Harris are able to secure the ceasefire his campaign is completely toast. Which means he goes back on trial and may (MAY) face a custodial sentence. While that's happening, an investigation into this kicks off,which is going to take 3-4 years.

    Or else, he leaves the states. He has enough cash stockpiled from all the briefing to have a very comfortable life somewhere with no extradition and nice weather. Self imposed exile has a nice to ring to it. He can still pump up the MAGA crowd with "woe is me" tweets, while golfing everyday in nice weather sitting on millions.

    The dude is 80. He knows he'll never see gen pop in a prison, and he knows that America is stable enough that no one's gonna chop his head off or that he'll have to hide in an underground bunker. He is absolutely a loser, but he's pretty much won at life as he'll never have to deal with the consequences.

    Saying all that, if he wins, all the cases go away including this investigation, which will save him a small bit of stress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 Dogsdodogsstuff


    Any reason why yesterday some bookies odds swinged back in Trumps favour ? I know they aren’t overly reliable but had been watching odds over the months out of interest. Harris had gone 9/10 odds on and is now 11/10 after yesterday.


    Was it JFKj going to Trump?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,083 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    To be fair, they have dumped their rambling old man from the ticket. The Republicans haven't, which makes them even more bat sh!t crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Nixon also, one of the big mistakes Johnson did in his tenure (and their were lots) was not making nixon's interference with peace talks in Vietnam public.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A bit of that and bookies spreading the risk.

    People betting on this (or any election) are not a representative sample of voters.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    She dropped out and then became the VP, not saying that's the reason but Biden was a front runner, and if his team came in early on and said, VP nomination on the cards if you step back before it becomes a battle. She held her own against Biden in the early debates and had no issue putting him right on certain things in a very confident fashion. It would have been shrewd of Bidens team to go to her through back doors as she was strong enough to put up a fight that would have detracted from the nomination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,488 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I haven't seen any 11/10 Harris. 10/11 each of two best prices (at well-known bookies). 21/20 KH at Betfair but commission would bring it below Evens I believe?

    US Presidential Election Winner Betting Odds | Politics | Oddschecker

    Could be a few reasons. RFK looking like coming out for Trump. May also be as simple as some of the 3/1+ KH money arbing their position. Harris may have lost some momentum over the last week. DJT had, by his standards, a decent week where he didn't say anything too outrageous. The polls have moved nicely in the 3 weeks since KH got the gig, but the core figures would still see DJT win if translated to the real vote - therefore difficult to make KH favourite at this moment.

    Much as I'd like to see KH 10 points clear at this stage, I think we should be grateful that we currently have a coin-flip. That looked so unlikely a month ago.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Its bookies, they reflect nothing but the money placed. As someone else pointed out, if you are a large gambler, with no passion, you'd have bet on Kamala with the long odds that have now come down and then covered your bet when they evened out by betting the same on Trump. The house always wins but if you have enough money and time, you can reduce the risk of loss substantially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Trump is throwing this away. He needs to start listening to his campaign staff, stay laser focused on the issues that matter and that the dems are vulnerable on (the economy stupid) and stop ranting and raving about Biden, China, democrats coup and all the other off the wall talking points that he stumbles between during speeches. Maybe they need to up his dose of Aderall because sometimes it seems like his brain is trying to have 2 thoughts at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,057 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Bookies odds are based on how people are betting. Trump's odds have been getting worse and worse the past few weeks once Kamala replaced Biden because more people started betting on Kamala. But it then tends to flip because you start getting far less of a payout if Kamala wins because her odds are shorter and you get better odds with Trump and therefore a larger potential payout for a smaller bet, so once Trump's odds are longer more people start betting on him and then the odds start getting shorter again.

    Bookies aren't taking into consideration anything to do with policies or performance etc. They shift their odds based on how people are betting. People are betting based on the likes of policies and performance, but also who they think might win and what the potential payout might be depending on the odds at the time. An ardent Harris supporter might still put a 20 dollar bet on Trump if there were good odds just because the potential payout might be worth it.

    So yeah, bookies odds aren't really that indicative of anything. They show what way people are betting, but those bets can be based on the potential payout rather than preference for the candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,548 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You're missing the big factor, and that is because trump knows better than everyone else because he's, y'know, smart (points finger at brain)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    A core tenet of his economic policy are tariffs but he does not have a single clue how they actually work. He thinks it will cause money to flow into America from abroad but his tariff plan would increase costs for American businesses which would inevitably pass that to the consumers through price increases. I think the Dems needs to be stronger and clearer on this messaging.



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