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Is Norma Foley a visionary?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Iwastimthe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    No.


    No shes not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    No, she doesn't. People spend so much time talking about her hair and clothing choices. That they hardly talk about the state of schools at the moment.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Betteridge's law of headlines applies here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    If she succeeds in doing it...maybe it is a good idea...

    If the system offers zero consequences for those that will insist on breaking the rules ...how workable will this be on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being not workable at all and 10 **** yeah yes sir! I'd put it at a zero

    Another Minister tries to make a name/legacy ...but achieves the sum total of **** all.....actually that would be an improvement on the last guy who damaged it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Lets see, a new law, which is impossible to enforce, and therefore will not be enforced after a couple of weeks of hassle. Norma Foley keeps her seat or leaves with a golden handshake.

    Sounds like all their other measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Won’t happen.

    1. Phones banned outright.
    2. Student A keeps bringing one.
    3. Detentions, eventually suspension.
    4. Cycle continues to the point where Student A’s attendance is suffering, so too their odds of attainment.
    5. School advised by inspectorate to soften up on reprimanding kids like Student A for bringing phones to keep them in classes.

    Same thing currently happening with repeat offenders with poor behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭piplip87


    School Meal Programme has been rolled out to thousands of extra schools.

    Free book scheme rolled out to secondary now

    I think she will go down as one of the better ministers in this government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Mobiles were just becoming a thing when I was around Leaving Cert level. The school policy then was, if one was seen it would be confiscated. Those of us who had one and were subtle, never had theirs confiscated. People who wanted to be the Big I Am, couldn't help to show off and got theirs confiscated. Why not go back to a similar policy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    It's about 10 years too late from the oldest of Generation Z, but it is a welcome development. Huberman doesn't have many donkeys on and Haidt is well worth listening to.

    My son's primary school recently had a talk with an Ennis based health professional who is leading the charge in terms of getting smart phones and technology in general out of the hands of primary school children and even older.

    Schools can't do this on their own and it requires parents to be educated on the dangers and effects and for buy in for most of parents so keeping kids exposure to social media at a minimum until they are old enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,817 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Parents need to wake the fcuk up and actually parent, not just farm out the job to schools. Stop being your kid's big buddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭Upstream


    Thanks for the link, will check it out.

    Can you give me some info on who in Ireland is discussing the health impacts of technology on children please, I'd like to hear more about what they're saying?

    Was it Dr. Siofra Harrington by any chance? As far as I know she is from Ennis, she is an Optometrist who has done some excellent research on the affects of too much screen time on children's eye health. The results are shocking.

    Below is an ophthalmologist taking a wider look at the some of the science behind this, it's a long video and goes into a lot of different areas, how we're getting over exposed to blue light and lacking non visible light exposure (infra red and UV), and how it impacts people.

    The consequences for young people are much more severe, so we should be limiting screen time where possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,401 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    She went missing during height of Covid. She has neglected the problem of excessive prefabs in our schools (there are connected vested interests) and she has allowed publishers release a new "must have" edition of schoolbooks every year or two with trivial changes. Complete money racket at taxpayer expense. The Dept of Education is still the worst run in our permanent government.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    My phone fell in water so I don't currenty have access to school app where I have all the details. Drop me a pm in a few days if I haven't posted her details here. I was a bit unmotivated heading in to her talk but found her brilliant. She used to write reports for sex offenders for court hearing, so she is acutely aware as to who may be on the other end of your child's phone

    The woman in question has lectured to circa 200 schools trying to implement safety policies around technology. We can't wait for the department or anyone else to do this, it really is a matter for parents to get informed and to protect their children.

    In a nutshell the cure seems to next to no social media/gaming until after puberty, then shared phone use with a parent. In tandem we need to give them more freedom in the real world to make mistakes takes risks etc and develop naturally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Not in the slightest. The Law requires the headline to be posed as a question.

    Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

    This was not a media headline, but a question.

    You may as well say a thread entitled "Anybody know where I can buy Goat's milk?" Should receive only No as an answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭Upstream


    Will do, thanks.

    There's a big conversation needed about technology and children, both in and out of schools, and most parents and children are completely uniformed of what the risks are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,449 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I don’t think I’d go so far as to say Norma is a visionary, and I do like her, but it’s because of the stability she brings to the role in her position as the Minister for Education.

    It doesn’t seem to me that she has any interest in proposing new legislation to tackle the issues, but rather she has been interested in getting all stakeholders on board to create a culture of intolerance of mobile devices during school hours:

    “I’m very clear that I think we need to establish in our schools a culture of non-acceptance of the mobile phone.

    “Moving forward now with the band working with our schools on mobile phones, particularly in post primary, it’s not the issue really in the primary, in that they’re not using them particularly during school hours in the primary.”

    Frankly I don’t imagine it has a hope of success, but the fact that she wants to create a culture suggests that it will be the students themselves who will be frowning upon their peers inability to resist succumbing to FOMO.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Mod - Moved to CA.
    Local charter now applies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,063 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    This idea has been working very well in other sources of education like Youthreach and Community Training Workshops for some time. It is very successful and to see young people sitting together at breaks having conversations instead of having their faces stuck in mobile phones is very pleasant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,030 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,696 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    At EP last weekend, group of under 18 girls getting very bored with the boys sitting down who wouldn't take their head out of the phones....girls walked away and I told the boys put the phones away and follow them girls....they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 euzyqua


    Not only is it a good idea, it is a very necessary step. It's going to happen everywhere eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    so no phones for teachers either to show good example. How will they book their holidays. On school time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭User567363


    Them school dinners are junk food

    fine in poor areas

    People should make more effort and send them in with a sandwidge and then feed them a proper dinner when they get home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    Some wagon of the fiona o'looney ilk was giving out about the free book scheme on newstalk there...

    It's five years too late and they should be giving them free ipads....govt completely out of touch with the reality in Ed now she says

    It's hard to please de people I tells ya...

    Sorry for that bit of.....miserabilism?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    Interesting...I didn't know that.

    How is it enforced there if there is an issue do you know.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Great idea and should be easy enough to implement: kid found using a phone in school has phone taken off them. It's popped into the office and only a parent of the kid can collect it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Hey, who is the Ennis based health professional? Please PM if you don't want to put it up here. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,225 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I went to school in the mid 2000's.

    If caught on your phone.

    I'm fairly sure if caught on our phone.

    First offence confiscated for a month.

    2nd offence until the end of term.

    3rd offence until the end of year.

    Most teachers would be reasonable if your phone went off once.

    Everybody bought phones and some had a spare phone to hand to the teacher if they got caught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    There are many things I could call Norma Foley-- 'visionary' is not one of them. There is an impending election and tis the season to be jolly busy launching stuff and claiming credit.

    As regards free meals and free books, this is part of the predictable Government pitch to the middle class average tax paying voter ahead of November. As to how these initiatives actually work or the success criteria, that's entirely up to the school leaders and teachers ie the credit for any success is due to the schools implementing the measures. As regards phones, she's just repeating what dozens of previous commentators in the space have been saying for ages and is seizing the moment, what with potential EU legislation and sanctions re: social media gaining pace. So no, she ain't no visionary, but yes she can read a prepared speech with all the buzzwords very effectively



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Icsics


    No she is not! Wait until the covid inflated Leaving Cert results come out on Friday & points remain high



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    I think in the era of on the fly content creation and instant access to social media that schools need to come down hard on phones across the board.

    There is no need for anyone to have a phone on their person in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It's a question of norms. If it becomes normal practice that phones are put away in lockers during school hours, then largely everybody will accept that. The idea of reward, might be a good incentive for everyone to buy in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    Problem is they can't come down hard on continuous behaviour way worse than just bringing a phone to school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,202 ✭✭✭amacca


    Apologies..my question was to the poster saying a system like it was implemented in youthreach, trades etc ...I'm nearly sure I quoted that post but I must be wrong



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    my school could in the mid 2000’s - schools have gone a bit soft and parents have gone even softer (from my limited observation).

    Phone in the bag, silent, not ever out until afterschool - we all played the game, very few would chance the odd text in class. It’s very simple - I think good old confiscation is the way to go - but I suppose some knobber parents would kick up about their little angels 1100 euro iPhone being taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Not sure on mobile tech but maybe some sort of denial of service signal jamming except for staff on school grounds? Don't know if practical or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭jiltloop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭csirl


    She hasnt tackled any of the big issues e.g.

    - the influence of religious organisations in Irish education.

    - under performing schools.

    - making the Teaching Council fit for purpose (has never upheld a parental complaint in its history.)

    - child protection deficiencies e.g. it not being mandatory for schools to follow her Departments child protection 'guidelines".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A solution might be to provide lockers for kids like are in many second level schools across the world, also in many businesses and workplaces…FOB wristband to open them so you are not worried about lost keys etc…wristband lost, just reprogram a new one and charge a fiver or whatever cost.

    The challenge would as I see it be twofold….the cost of the lockers, also the logistics of attaining space in already overcrowded and also many small antiquated buildings across the country ….

    Norma Foley is a terrible minister, no visionary, and not inspiring, needs to be cast into the ether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    Very Good points there; she's just a typical Fianna Fail politician and wasn't her father one of the Ansbacher Account cowboys, but hey- make her a minister and she'll throw money at something and launch another thing and build another yoke and... no, not a visionary and most likely to get promoted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    VVery scary concept that the parents are not taking the responsibility to not only but supervise the nutrition of their kids. Also meal times are important for learning social etiquetteitte and manners from family. Teaches kids the state is responsible for their food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Definitely not a visionary but she definitely is "something". What that is, I cannot say without upsetting people and getting banned. She does have great shoulders and throat area god bless her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 CookingGuy


    I think we'll look back on smartphone use the same way as underage smoking, and people saying it's unenforceable probably have a horse in the race, as the little screen is keeping their "angle" occupied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭ax530


    School my child in has rule no phones in school premises/grounds if seen it will be taken off you. I expected all schools like this.

    Suprise me how my teacher friends can reply to messages during day.

    Balance hard, 'no technology for children' - almost as much available via TV as phones. Difficult keep them off/away from everything.



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