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HVO100 diesel fuel.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    So your argument is forget about the environmental effects of battery production because petrol and diesel is bad ! lol.

    So in other words, I love electric cars and everyone should drive one because I drive one and want to see everyone drive and EV too even though they're just as bad for the environment ! MAO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Diesel engines are not on the way out, perhaps in passenger cars but in the commercial world there's nothing to replace diesel and there will be diesel cars on the road for a very long time to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    We all know that but the E.U again, interfering in areas where these politicians know little about just for the sake of been seen to be green and this is where electric cars will end up another mistake unless they can come up with a viable way to make liquid fuels because there simply is nothing to make the majority of people want to buy an EV, especially those with no place to charge their EV at home and those not willing to buy new cars are not going to buy new EV or 2nd hand ev with degraded batteries of facing potential huge bills if something goes wrong out of warranty. Cars in general have gone way too expensive and manufacturers are deliberately producing bigger more expensive cars filled with expensive tech abandoning the small cheap car market. I won't be buying a new car for a very long time to come again if ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I'll get lambasted for this, and posters will want a sworn affidavit from the driver, and possibly a polygraph as well and a full technical examination of the vehicle,

    But

    I heard a story from a DPD driver, who has an EV Ford Transit, and while driving with a full load, he lost 100km range while driving up the hill on the way to Whitgate Cork.

    EV has its place, but so does diesel, and diesel ain't going anywhere for a long time.

    The EU have been known to extent deadlines on stuff they have considered or planned on banning or placing restrictions on.

    (Quick example just to shut up some of those who want examples is glyphosate)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Poland, Germany and France have already secured indefinite extension to the ICE ban but there are certain people in Government here who are hell bent on seeing everyone abandon their cars and move to public transport and leave the country to move to the big towns and cities.

    They have destroyed Rural Ireland by getting rid of the post offices in the rural areas, as a result their little shops closed because people had to go into the bigger town wasting fuel to get to a post office and shopped there instead.

    Thousands of pubs are gone forever half of them falling in disrepair now partly because of the price of Alcohol from all the tax. A lot of rural areas who once had thriving pubs now have nowhere to socialise.

    All this is probably to make living in the country far less attractive so people won't want to live there.

    Anyway, at the end of the day if HVO can be made why not use it if it means it's a lot cleaner ?

    Synthetic blends will be added to fuel in the future, more and more % will be added as time goes on.

    There are hundreds of millions of people who drive on holidays and go to different countries by car and none of them are going to do this kind of driving in an EV, those who do are very dedicated but the majority won't do this.

    Inevitably the car manufacturers can only make cars that people want to buy of they go bust, if they only make EV and EV does not meet the needs of people then they simply can't survive and will have to close forever but maybe this is the objective to finally rid the world of cars ? personal transport ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    Poland, Germany and France have already secured indefinite extension to the ICE ban

    link an article that says they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/24/cars/eu-combustion-engine-debate-climate-intl/index.html

    By the time 2035 comes it will be watered down again, this was all implemented by green agendas in the first place and was never going to stick, at this point in time there is no viable alternative to liquid fuels that gives people what they want and need.

    By the way, the CNN article was just the first one I could find.

    If the ban was to go ahead then the European Auto industry would be ruined but there are a lot of people who think this would be a very good idea too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    That's for efules, not fossil files. That's not the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    ICE can run on synthetics, that's the point

    Petrol/Diesel engine sales will continue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    just because something can run on it, dosent mean it will be affordable.

    right now porche, the main proponant of efulles are predicting a usd price of 7 - 10 per gallon(at best if they can produce em mass) and will only increase with tax ect, right now fossil fuel is about $5 a gallon, and only growing.

    some seem to think that moroting, car ownership will get cheaper, or, be cheaper. it wont, its only getting more expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    It just doesn't matter what anyone says, you'll just keep beating the EV drum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    See, I'm not beating any drum, you don't like what I wrote, so your placing me in your perceived opisition, I'm not the one in here spouting that "EVs are dead" "hydrogen is the way forward" "ice for ever" , some of you don't seem to get the practicalities of the alternatives, or how good we had it with cheap oil, a time thats never coming back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    You were against HVO because you thought a chocolate company was making it .

    And you're still against any form of future fuel, be it synthetic, fossil or waste based.

    What drum is left to beat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In fairness I think it's a bit unfair to be coming on here dissing HVO just because EVs are the future, a bit like those who go on the EV section and spread the FUD.

    2035 is 9 years away and there will be plenty of ICE fuel sold between then and now, and even after 2035 as the crop of ICEs sold in 2035 will probably hang around for another 8-10 years afterwards. So realistically ICE fuels will be around in some form or another for the next 15-20 years and in that time HVO will help cut emissions

    As for linking HVO to a chocolate company

    Tesla CEO supports Donald Trump

    VW was founded by Nazis

    China builds most of the continents EVs

    Saudi Arabia, a country known for killing gays and not treating women very well, supplies most of the continents oil

    I suggest glass houses and stone throwing be kept off the motors forum in general



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Whocare




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think you're mixing 2 different groups, the "right" thinking and the "right wing" thinking. Most but not all right wingers support him and none of the right thinking do. They are two completely different types of people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,573 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Never seen HVO for sale in Kilkenny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,571 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Filled my car last night in certa in Cork. It used be the case that the price of HVO and diesel were the same, but I noticed (after paying) that diesel was 165.9, petrol was 170.9 and the hvo was also 170.9.

    Don't know if this is a permanent change or not.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,602 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Yep 3c if a difference now between Diesel and HVO at my local Certa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    Didn't read the full thread where I redactated that and offered an explination



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    You jumped in with two feet complaining about a chocolate factory, when you knew nothing about the subject.

    How can anyone take your opinions/statements seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Anyway.. back on subject.

    For anyone planning to park a diesel up for the winter, hvo100 has a self life of 10yrs compared to 6 months for b7 diesel.

    Something worth considering, but you'll need a full tank of HVO, any mix of b7 will be liable to deteration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    so, someone cant make a mistake , which i explianed two postes after, while trying to learn about somethinbg, and that to you, emans somone cant be taken seriously? i can see why you have 5000 posts on an internet forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,571 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    On the back of this post, and other posts from people saying that HVO runs cleaner and ignoring the environmental benefits (or whether there is any) - is HVO a generally better option than diesel in most cases now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Yes obviously because it's made entirely from recycled oil and food products. In other words, there is a big reduction in Nox and it burns much cleaner in the engine and if you care about Co2 it massively reduces Co2 emissions as it emits captured Co2 from growing the seed that produces the Oil that is re-used.

    So it's really using oil and food twice. There should also be a significant reduction in excise and Co2 tax on this fuel but the Government see only battery EV as the only planet saving tech out there ignoring battery production lol. BEV the future diesel gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    One thing with HVO100 is that it has no Sulphur, so it burns cleaner in your engine.

    Regular Diesel fuel containing sulphur, once burned, creates Sulphuric Acid, which corrodes your engine (but i don't see this as a big issue, as engines aren't falling apart on regular diesel), But the advantage of lack of sulphuric acid, is that it should in theory keep your engine oil in better condition for longer.

    I have noticed that after running exclusively on HVO, and having had a few oil changes, the oil is staying cleaning for longer.. But thats subjective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Interesting development for HVO fuel. Presumably the engine can run on regular diesel as well if needed

    https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2024/0828/1467038-carlow-fire-station/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Ye, it should run on both. Don't want to rain on their parade too much but looks like all they have there is a normal fire appliance with some 'fancy' stickers (and has hopefully been tweaked to run HVO more efficiently) and a battery maintainer solar panel on the roof, the usefulness of which is debatable on a vehicle that spends most of it's time parked inside.

    A PHEV/HEV appliance running on HVO might have been more newsworthy, BEV are available too but I don't think they'd suit 'rural' fire services yet.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As long as they've charging at the base a full EV fire truck would work, these things wouldn't usually be doing huge distances.

    But therein lies the problem EVs work out much more expensive when you're not racking the mileage up. Similarly I'd say the modification needed to run on HVO more efficiently is a cost they'll never see back so unlikely to have been implemented



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Cheap oil, petrol, Diesel well maybe not in the E.U which use liquid fuels to absolutely screw people in tax but in the majority of the world liquid fuels are pretty cheap.

    I do agree with you on one point and that car ownership is getting more expensive, this is 100% true be it petrol or diesel which is one major reason I am 100% committed into not buying into all this expensive technology again.

    One of the reasons when I got rid of the id3 and got the Kia is because the Cee's is a far less technical car, it's much less of a tablet, I don't want much tech in cars for it to go wrong or distract me whatever drivetrain it has, one of the things that attracted me to motorcycling is how cheap it is, or can be and how mostly it's just man and machine with little tech though this is changing fast now too as many modern bikes have tablets for dashes instead of much nicer looking analogue dials but luckily there are manufacturers making modern classic bikes which are hugely popular and car manufacturers are missing out on a more classic tech free line up and of course the E.U rather than enforcing better driving and training will instead force manufacturers to put more annoying tech in cars that beeps and bongs at people.

    One the main reasons cars have got so expensive is because people are buying them and willingly getting into big debt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    You say this as if people who thing more right wing are bad !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    its not a political issue, are you coming from a political pov?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    My text was supposed to include a quite from Red Sulirian which I gathered that he thinks right wing people are bad or trump supporters are bad or perhaps I read him wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭Gerard93


    Is HVO available around Limerick City ?? Circle K Ballysimon Road have it anywhere else ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Caseys Circle K in Roscommon now has a HVO pump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    HVO was 5¢/l more than diesel in certa glounthane today.

    Looks like the days of certa price matching HVO with diesel are over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,571 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Ya, it's been matched with petrol for the last few weeks...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,573 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Does the fact HVO has no lubrication for the fuel pump scare people. A fuel with no lube and high pressure expensive pumps seems like a bad mix .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I was led to believe it was as lubricating, if not more so than regular diesel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Birka


    It has lubricity additives. Otherwise it wouldn't meet the EN15940 standard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This has likely been thought through by the manufacturers (of HVO) so, no, it wouldn't scare me. There's misinformation being spread the whole time by the oil industry to keep their sales high. They must be running scared haha!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,571 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I was just in Certa near Little Island in Cork. HVO is being sold at 172.9, petrol is currently 168.9 and diesel is 164.9.

    8c a litre between diesel and hvo is a fiver a fill of a difference, not worth going out of my way to find it. And diesel can be found in Cork for 159.9, so that's more like €8.50 of a difference per fill.

    Annoying when they said originally it would stick at same price as diesel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Oil is still cheap and in most parts of the world, the Irish Government have used car owners as cashcows milking us for decades and one reason I will never again buy any new cars due to all the tax.

    Petrol and diesel would probably be under 1 Euro per litre only for all the tax. heating oil and gas same thing. We're being screwed and it's not like adding carbon tax is going to have any impact on global emissions, all this green agenda is just gasslighting people into accepting higher and higher taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    This is down to the Government and their hatred now towards anything ICE powered and refuse to lower tax on HVO and I guarantee they would apply the same level of tax on efuels because at the end of the day tax is the goal they can gasslight all they want !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    why are you now dragging up a comment from 2 months ago?

    oils not cheap anywhere, you cant seem to grasp that "but its 9c a 100l in dubai" so? no transport costs amogunst 100s of oterh reasons. . you keep blaming the government, stop voting them in. you dont like it, go to england, would suit you over there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    But do your timber pellets come from timber waste? The biggest power station in the U.K. is called Drax and it is so large that it was once a separate listed company. Originally coal-fired, it was converted at great expense to use timber pellets with huge subsidies. Investigations showed that a significant portion of the pellets derived directly from forests (some virgin) and not as waste from timber mills.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Is there a list or map showing all of the locations where HVO is available in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Laois saw mills produce the pellets on site from timber waste from their sawmill, I get the pellets direct from here, in fact, I think they're the only or the largest source of pellets in Ireland, most retailers selling the pellets are rebranded but come from laois sawmills. They make so many the vast majority are sold to the U.K they told me.

    This will be our 3rd heating season now with no foreign oil used, all produced in Ireland.

    They also sell the pellet stoves, We've had no issue so far, it's made by Klover an Italian company. It's a boiler stove heating around 15 rads. We don't have them all on all the time.

    It's definitely a lot more work than oil or gas and the bags are 15 Kg, if you got a big dry shed you can get the pellets in 1.5 tonne bags and they cost a lot less if you were to add up per 15 Kg bag but they work out around 7 euro a bag bought in bulk of around 30 odd bags.

    A bag will last us a day from 6 am to 10-11 Pm at night this time of year not heating all rads on lowest setting and water temp around 55 deg C which is enough for a snug house, crank it up to 60 deg and power level 5 and we could use 2 - 2.5 bags a day in the coldest weather. We were going through 2 - 2.5 1000l Tanks a year.



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