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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    This weird, dancing on a person's grave thing rearing it's head again in the aftermath of a tragic yacht sinking.

    Give your fúcking heads a wobble. Why are you hating people you have never heard of up to now? It is jealousy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Look, controversial opinions are not expected to be liked or respected by others.

    Myself for instance I find it offensive and deeply worrying how many Palestinian flags I find in and around Dublin. Ever since that experience I've seen Ireland and the Irish in a very negative light. Especially Ireland, a country that is so proud of neutrality in conflict takes sides with terrorists, rapists and murderers.

    Others obviously do have a strongly different opinion, otherwise the Palestinian flags wouldn't be there.

    What worries one is normal to others.

    One thing you should be clear about: None of us do have the right not to feel offended, - is more than true on our society of today.

    Controversial enough, I take it?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    My CO is that your average Palestinian is not a terrorist, rapist or murderer. I mean, the majority of the est. 40,000 killed since Oct 7th were children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    But what kind of government did they vote for? They are certainly not innocent here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭L Grey


    Yeah. I bravely read the comments on a YouTube video about it.

    Some people are fkd.

    Grim stuff.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    Have you heard the one about the peaceful Palestinian protesters getting picked off by IOF snipers? No, didn't think so. My point is they didn't vote in Hammas in a vacuum. For many, many years they tried everything under the sun. Unfortunately, violence is the only thing the Israelis know and the only think that would get the world's attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Especially Ireland, a country that is so proud of neutrality in conflict takes sides with terrorists, rapists and murderers.

    Of the 34,488 Palestinians killed in Gaza, 14,500 have been children and 9,500 women. Let me know how many of those were terrorists, rapists and murderers.

    Of the other 77,643 injured let me know how many let me know how many of those were terrorists, rapists and murderers.

    It's a perversely weak argument to state that protesting the inhumanity of the killing of innocents and the utter terror being currently inflicted is in some way an automatic 'support' of terrorism, rape and murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    If only the Hammas attack last year would have led to a victory over the Israeli army, I'm sure Hammas thought they could have pulled it off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Yes because these issues only began on October 7th of 2023. Prior to this the two got along famously.

    Always good to play the 'what if' game. You can speculate to demonstrate your assumptions and a highly speculative future "reality" without having to really admit anything.

    Post edited by Suckler on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Of course there was previous, if a stray firework went into Israel there would have been an over reaction. As far as I'm concerned the civilian deaths since then are considered an acceptable risk by Hammas and the various cave men that provide them support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Also considered an 'acceptable' level of collateral damage by Israel and their supporters. Cave men included.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    None of the children murdered by Israel voted for anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Add to that the last election was about twenty years ago, it's another substantial chunk of the population that had no part in voting for Hamas.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,695 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    [MOD] A warning was placed on thread yesterday and some people seem to have ignored same. So now this is the last time a warning will be given on thread, bans will be handed out if this keeps up.

    Kimbot

    "Mod:

    This thread is going down a rabbit hole on the subject of the Israel/Gaza conflict and USA politics.

    There are already enough threads on these subjects in the Current Affairs forum. Please keep discussions on these topics to those threads.

    JK"



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    100% agree. The same type of sneering over the Titan submersible tragedy last year was in abundance on the Internet and it was really repugnant.

    They may have been tycoons on that vessel who were misled by the Oceangate CEO but there was also an 18 year old lad onboard who didn't really want to go and all those men died in a horrible if albeit very quick way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think it's the obvious importance that's put on a tragedy when the person is extraordinarily wealthy. Like its noteworthy because they were wealthy and wouldn't be noteworthy if they weren't wealthy I.E. we wouldn't run this story if you drowned, dear reader, but you should care when the wealthy bloke drowns.

    There's also a schadenfreude built into the story because he was only on his yacht because he's so wealthy, and it was on his yacht that he died. Of course, a normal person could have died in the sea on their normal person holiday to Spain, but then we just wouldn't hear about it. Irish news certainly wouldn't cover a normal English bloke who drowned on holiday and certainly wouldn't be talking about it a week later.

    So, I think it's all part of the story as it's being presented. It's designed to inform and infuriate at the same time. Not the fault of the people who died. They didn't write the headlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's rarely a mystery why X dies swimming in the sea on their hols or why a boatload of migrants sinks.

    But how a modern yacht crewed by who you would think were professionals would sink in these circumstances why wouldn't the press be interested? Anyone in the marine industry would want to know the outcome.

    A lot of the schadenfreude reactions are from the plastic communist/Ché T shirt set out of barely disguised jealousy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If people in the marine industry are interested then I'd expect it to be a big feature in the marine industry newsletters and journals. Not the mainstream media.

    A quick Google suggests about 600 Brits go missing abroad each year. I can think of 3 this year. 1 famous and beloved tv presenter, one young lad who was portrayed as a thug who maybe deserved it, and a billionaire. There has to be an angle for it to be news, simply going missing or dieing isn't enough. So the schadenfreude is built into the story to help it sell. If every brit who went missing was worth a week's coverage in Irish news, there would be about 12 'Brit missing on holiday' stories in the news every day of the year.

    I haven't followed the day-by-day updated to the story at all. I read a summary of the guy and what happened at the I figured I'll just read a smmary when they actually know what happened in a couple of weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I didn't ask for a maritime industry journal. I presume the story would feature there, that's appropriate.

    I pointed out the discrepancy between the coverage of the 600 British tourists who go missing each year and this guy. You didn't comment on that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Reminds me of the implosion of the Titan submersible. You even had people on here rubbing their hands with glee at the death of a teenage boy.

    What sad, sad little lives they must lead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Go figure that out for yourself captain obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I already figured it out. And I explained it earlier. The media sell stories about wealthy people going missing, not your average Joe. They package them with tragedy, intrigue and schadenfreude. So it's not surprising when people pick up on the exact thing they're being sold.

    Their job is to keep people clicking for updates, not to tell the whole story at once, in an unbiased article.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    My CO for today is that cassette tapes can actually be pretty darn good sound-wise. Yes, it's easy to dismiss them as hissy and easy to break, but a well recorded cassette played back on even half decent equipment can sound very good.

    I grew up on tapes and miss my collection along with the sleeves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,212 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Obligatory yotube link

    TLDR not controversial, but high quality cassettes and decks are not manufactured anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    I have a Teac cassette player, bought in 1995 along with other separates. Still works fine.

    A cursory look at Teac's website shows that they're still being manufactured.

    https://eu.teac-audio.com/en-CH/audio-hifi/audio-players/cassette-decks/w-1200/p/156318

    I rarely bought albums on cassette (always preferred LPs and CDs) but have thousands of taped tapes that I still play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,212 ✭✭✭Cordell


    That's a low quality deck, cheap mechanism which is the only one that can be still sourced and no advanced features like recording monitoring.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,164 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Cassettes easy to break? You could literally throw it off a balcony and it would be undamaged. A CD left out of its cover sticker-up on a rough surface would be scratched beyond playability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Photobox


    And if the tape unravelled inside the cassette player, the obligatory biro used to twist it back in inside the tape sorted it out no problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There are always virtue signalling idiots who come out with "but 10 people drowned today crossing the channel, why aren't they getting the same coverage"

    They forget that

    A something that happens every few days isn't that big a news story irrespective of how tragic it is

    B those people are just average joes who's done nothing particularly noteworthy so nobody outside of their friends and family care if they die (same would apply to me should I die)

    The inverse snobbery around this Mike Lynch sinking and previously the Oceangate disaster which is mainly being pushed by lefties on the internet shows you that the politics of envy is what drives the modern left wing and the desire the knock people down a peg or two rather than actually any desire to uplift the working classes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,677 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Pineapple on a pizza is nice.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Not as nice as a slice of pineapple with gammon ham.

    One of the nicest dinners in the world if you add potatoes, sweetcorn with butter on top with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    I wouldn't be against introducing massive penalties for phone use in cars.

    I drive a bit and every 2nd car is now texting or viewing their phones. It will only get worse and I have no doubt it is the main reason road deaths have spiked.

    Give people 6 points + or land them with hefty fines north of €500.

    That'd put manners on people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Better again if they made efforts to create more safe places to pull in.

    Phones are a part of life now. Whether it's using Google maps, talking or texting on the phone, or just choosing music or podcasts.

    If there were places to pull in to use the phone every 10 or 15 minutes, and bigger penalties for hiding phones outside those places, that would be a good policy.

    I was driving when smartphones came in. So it would be sn adjustment for me. But it would be better to adapt and make it normal for young drivers to do it the right way from the start. Like drink driving. It was an adjustment for my parents generation to stop drinking and driving, but it was normal for my generation to just not drink if you're driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    In much the same way I'd have my guard up in cities with a reputation for pick-pocketing, or I'd be wary engaging with tracksuited youths in Dublin at night these days, I also get a sense of worry when I see an arab/muslim looking person in the middle of a Western styled gathering. Or on a busy train or whatever.

    Can't help it if I automatically stereotype. I'm sure a lot of it went on when an Irish accent was picked up in the UK in the 70s/80s, but at least that was politically motivated, not ideological backwardness.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you want them to now create places to pull in specifically so motorists can check their phones?

    that is a controversial opinion!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    IF they also brought in much heavier penalties for using the phone whole driving. Yeah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Controversial opinion:

    I'm not impressed by criminals who think they're doing something moral by attacking sex offenders in prison. They're in prison because they've been deemed a threat to the community and because they committed crimes against the community. ALL of them, not just the sex offenders.

    If they think they're able to draw a moral line in the sand with them on the side of the normal law abiding people, and this makes them good members of society, them there wrong. They're just continuing to be thugs inside prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah yeah, fair enough. Some people are just easily frightened or anxious.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    how about we just bring in the heavier fines? and expect motorists to be adult enough to be able to avoid looking at their phone 'every ten or fifteen minutes'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure. You could do that. The more successful way to get behaviour change is to offer a facility to change behaviour.

    I don't suppose anyone will need to pull in EVERY 10 or 15 minutes. But you know you can call someone back in 15 minutes when you get a call.

    Maybe you prefer the authoritarian hard line, but I usually prefer voluntary compliance backed up with law, rather than simply relying on threat of law.

    Each to their own. Are the government suggesting increased penalties for using the phone while driving?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    authoritarian because i don't think we should provide nonsense infrastructure for motorists? if you say so.

    give me a context where if a driver needed to check their phone, they would not be ten or fifteen minutes from somewhere to pull in and safely do so; if i want/need to do so, i am able to do so even without dedicated 'phone checking' laybys. it's never been a problem before.

    who would police these laybys, to ensure people are genuinely using them just to take calls, and not simply being taken up as free parking spaces by motorists?

    i take back my assertion that your opinion is controversial. it's not controversial, it's just a ludicrous idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think you missed the point of the post, insofar as you didn't respond to it at all.

    I presume there are already lots of filling stations, and laybys which could be used. Probably not much change needed, which is great.

    Why do you want to police the laybys now?you're made for being policed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I clearly didn't get the point of your post so - I thought you were saying 'if we're going to clamp down on illegal use of phones while driving, it's only fair that we boost the opportunity of legal use of phones by providing laybys', but obviously there's more to it than that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,882 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’ve driven from Cork to Dublin and other similar distances and never had any problems not physically interacting with the phone whilst driving….

    Facebook, twitter, TikTok, WhatsApp… your life won’t crumble if you are inactive and can’t read messages or interact with people or those services for a few hours….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,935 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    all those apps are designed to be addictive, so thats exactly what we re doing with them, thank fcuk ive never used them, ive enough sh1te in my life….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah you missed it.

    It was about voluntary compliance vs just relying on punishment.

    You seem to favour the pure positive reinforcement of a negative stimulus. I think it's sensible to facilitate compliance rather than just punish.

    Not to worry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    New cars where everything is screen based are a massive distraction for drivers also. Car too hot? Look.at the screen to change the temperature. Wrong radio station? Look.at the screen to change the stations.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i don't think i missed anything so - regardless of what i think about 'facilitating compliance', your idea of 'facilitating compliance' is to provide laybys every ten to fifteen minutes of driving to allow them to use their phones.

    like i said, it's a ludicrous idea, and redundant also.



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