Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Those tweets from O'Gorman only started to be highlighted by the usual suspects about two years after they were originally posted (which was in early 2021). At the time they were posted, Ireland was still under Covid restrictions and travel in and out of the country was extremely restricted. This does seem like a total red herring.

Be a good idea to not allow them purchase alcohol aswell.

Yeah, it was mainstream news when he did it.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/asylum-seekers-will-get-keys-to-their-own-homes-and-will-be-able-to-work-policy-to-end-direct-provision-revealed/40133273.html

I think they probably never saw the tweets myself but obviously the traffickers, relevant NGOs etc got them and similar to the American/ Yukon gold rushes, news travelled fast(and that was before there was instant messaging) and here we are.

So wait, it’s not the fault of the person who posted the ill advised tweets, it’s the fault of the ‘usual suspects’ for highlighting them? That makes no sense. They were posted on Twitter for a reason. He wanted a wide audience

Additionally, four staff members had not had their garda vetting checks updated and management had not completed international police checks for two staff members. 

Similarly, no staff member who lived abroad for six months or more at the Temple Accommodation Centre in Co Westmeath had an international police check carried out on them by management. 

Staff need vetting and international police checks but residents with no passport or checks are allowed in. Make it make sense

There was an interesting show on RTE junior tonight about this. I believe it was made by Vergin Media 4.

It showed Paul Murphy using Dail privilege to name 5 or 6 people who posted online about immigration. It only made them more popular.

I can't find on a stream player.

mea culpa

A gathering is planned for September 17 at the Spire, aiming to bring together 100,000 people to push for the government's dissolution. Can that many people really make a difference and bring about the government's dissolution?

Problem is there is no other party to vote for that will stop importing illegal people.

100% this and all the the far right cat calling is to hide or subdue the growing evidence they have lost the dressing room but are doubling down on their out dated woke agenda rather than legislate to reflect the current majority view among the electorate.

I think you need to read that article posted by @Gen.Zhukov

Can you provide a link for that please?

The government will be dissolved in November anyway, and subsequently reelected.

What's happening in Germany is very interesting. They are finally taken measures to deal with issues over immigration. The reason for this is obvious. Germany is a year from a general election and their political establishment are scared sh1tless of AfD.

In Ireland the situation couldn't be more different. A permanent FF/FG government means the immigration will go on and on.

I did but wouldn't agree with its conclusion that the big jump in asylum claims from early 2022 onwards was because of O'Gorman's tweets. The key factor here was surely the lifting of Covid restrictions and international air travel opening up again. That Times article offers no evidence of any description of a direct link between the tweets and the increased arrivals a year or two year later - they just throw out the proposition that the tweets were posted and asylum claims rose 12-18 months later (when the two mightn't even be linked, we have no way of knowing).

You still haven't named the countries that you claimed are deporting parents for the sins of their children.

So, I'm the one claiming superiority on a thread where people do nothing but talk about how others are traitorous, treacherous, woke Leftie liberals who hate Ireland? Or about how the government is so stupid and there are easy solutions that we just refuse to implement?

I mean, you said it in your own post — you lauded the German proposal and then went on to complain about how lefties make it out to be all so difficult and impossible. That is the arrogance that is inherent on this thread day in day out — the people who disagree with you are just Lefties who obfuscate the easy paths. And you say I'm acting superior, when you summarily dismiss the views of others?

The point of my response to you — which you seem mystified by — was to point out to you that these little measures here and there should not be applauded at every turn because they fail to actually address the fundamental issue at hand. In fact — you haven't even disputed any of the argument I put forward as to why the logic, or at least the effectiveness, of the German proposals doesn't really seem to get us anywhere.

So yes, let's all stop being Lefties who make everything out to be impossible and let's copy the Germans. Let's clamp down on asylum seekers by......offering them food and shelter. That's really tough and that will absolutely deter people.

Ah yes, "virtue signalling" — another term spouted out to dismiss the sincerity or rationale of the views of others. And yet I'm the one acting superior apparently.

Anyway, I find your logic odd here in that you seem to take the view that those who make the migration journey using money for flights etc must invariably be doing alright for themselves if they can afford it. Are we to presume that you just wholesale dismiss the possibility that people save for these flights over periods of time or simply gather the money from somewhere, like wider family, on the basis that getting to Europe etc may well be the primary ambition of their life? For many of them, this will be the one thing they dedicate all their efforts and every penny they own to. You seem to view it almost like its just disposable income they are spending on getting to Europe, when it could well be the case that its their life savings.

Secondly, you also seem to just dismiss the fact that we already know what the major channels of illegal migration into Europe by land and sea are. We know that the migrants using these channels are willing to take enormous risks to follow these paths and clearly do not have the means to take less risky paths.

But in either case, what you don't seem to address is that — whether they have more money or less money, whether you put them in the Shelbourne or the place in Dundrum they apparently aren't happy about, neither situation presents a scenario where there is really anything to lose. You shoot your shot getting to Europe and worst case scenario, after roughing it for however long, you'll at least get fed, watered and sheltered and you'll be somewhere relatively secure. It's not really as tough as it sounds.

Exactly. And at that point, when you actively commence a policy of depriving asylum seekers of any food and shelter, then we will see if the common sense, hard logic Right really is all that different from the emotional, sentimental, woke Lefties — when it comes to sustaining a policy like that over many years.

The flag doesn't belong to the Covid conspiracists / anti-immigration crowd. If they are weaponizing the tricolour and claiming to be more Irish than the rest of us, that is not a good thing.

Weaponising the Tricolour?

Jesus, get a grip.

Americans flying the flag are classed as Trump supporters, British people flying the Union Flag are all Tommy Robinson supporters and now people flying the tricolour are Covid Conspiacists / Anti-Immigration? It's almost as if people want to portray people who are proud of their country as terrible people and stop them from voicing their opinion so they won't be lumped into a stupid category that doesn't represtent their beliefs.

But people flying a Ukranian or Palestian flag are ok I take it?

It's ILLEGAL immigration and bogus asylum seekers that the vast majority of people have an issue with. But to say that is enough for silly people to class you as some weird racist/conspiracy theorist.

Once again, people get very excited on this thread about responding to points that were never made. Strazdas never said that people who fly the tricolour are Covid conspiracists or anti immigration — they said the flag doesn't belong to them, based on the very demonstrable fact that tricolours tend(ed) to be pretty numerous at those types of protests etc.

I'm presuming though you'll somehow interpret this post as me calling you a racist or something.

There should be some sort of secure detainment facility as large as it needs to be near the airport. If someone is a guest in this country and breaks the law in this manner like breaking in to property, assault etc they should be taken there to wait while deportation is organised for as long as it takes.

We shouldn't accept criminality like this regardless of the circumstances.

It's like we have pretty much no red lines.