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Secondary school principal makes maliciously Tusla report

  • 23-08-2024 1:03pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12


    Dear Readers,

    please I beg of you no mean comments. My daughter got bullied in school secondary school. I have 3 other kids in that school. The boy kept upsetting her through the year but I told her to avoid him as much as possible. One day he barked in her ear so loud her ear drum hurted throughout the weekend, he also spit on her. Tried to get a meeting with the school principal that agreed to look into the matter. The boy was favored as his mum works in the school. Meeting was arranged with the boy and the witness. The witnesses were ignored. When my daughter tried to explain to the head year the boy was mocking her and laughing at her. I tried to give feedback to the principal that my daughter is still distressed and in fear of the boy. Principal got angry and told me to remove my kids from his school. All my kids have excellent behaviour and grades. My daughter was the captain of her debate team. I had to contact tusla to ask for advise due to the rule kids can’t be out of school more that 20 days and is illegal to kick kids out if the school when they have to sit school exams living and junior cert. The principal got vindictive and wrote a maliciously report that I am beating up my son, that he constantly went to school bruised and with swollen hands. My son suffers from extremely severe asthma attacks and migraines so we are constantly in Temple st or D doc. Every thing he wrote to tusla is a lie and I can prove it. I wrote to ms Norma Folley and Simon Harris asking for help but to no avail. All I want is that report removed as it was done to hurt us. The principal doesn’t take well to people that aren’t kissing his ego. I have so many documents to provide that every thing I said it’s true. There is so much mor. The principal and year head were abusing my daughter for speaking out. Shouting at her and intimidating her.
    I can understand when a teacher has a duty of care or principal in this case but what about when they use their power to harm and be vindictive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Sounds like you are a victim of defamation and should consult a solicitor that specialises in that area of law.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    Thank you for taking the time to reply myself and husband work hard and we are struggling financially. Sadly we can’t afford a solicitor. I love my children more than my very own life, they wrote to Ms Foley and Mr Harris as it is inhumane and wrong for a school principal to do such a think. When he kicked my kids out from the school I had a panic attack as I couldn’t imagine being able to afford to move 4 kids to a new school. My husband called an ambulance. The principal instructed the deputy principal and HSL staff to drag me away from reception and cancel ed my ambulance. There’s so so much going on and no one willing to help because we don’t have the money to pay fancy solicitor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭csirl


    I"ve a family member who something similar happened to. Making a malicious report to Tusla is a criminal offence and should be reported to the Gardai. Your starting point is to GDPR the school and Tusla for all information on your family - this will give you the evidence that a malicious report was actually made (as opposed to being threatened).

    You should also report the school to the Ombudsman for Children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭csirl


    P.S. you can also apply under GDPR/FOI to the school and Tusla to have the incorrect information removed from file. Tusla's GDPR/FOI Unit are quite helpful. You'll find the school less cooperative, but if they dont cooperate report them to the Data Protection Commission and, in time, they'll be made change it and likely be fined.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If there is a reasonable case there, a solicitor will often work on a case on the basis proceeds received will be used to pay their bills or only a small fee upfront. Worth a sit down anyway to state your case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    I was advised by IHREC to report him to WRC the minister for education hired him a huge solicitor army. I still don’t understand why was it easier for her to hire this solicitor company that is charging thousands of euro when all I wanted was the report removed and an apology from the principal. We wrote her so many emails and tried calling, while I understand that she is extremely busy this is a very serious issue. A school principal made a false report to TUSLA, wanted to remove my kids from HIS SCHOOL and cancelled my ambulance when I suffered a major panick attack in school. TUSLA workers than removed the insulting words from the report when we received the copy. After reporting the matter only now we received the complete report.

    Dear readers I am in excruciating pain and anguish that there is no one to keep this man accountable. That he has put my family through hell and he doesn’t have a care in the world. He has no moral compass. My daughter is in therapy now. She was voted head girl always worked hard in school wants to be a teacher, I am sorry I am all over the place, anyone having kids hope you understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭csirl


    As I said earlier, if its malicious, then its a criminal offence which is a Garda matter. In the case I know about, a file was sent to the DPP.

    You should also follow the school complaints process (which is useless)* and then refer it to the Ombudsman for Children and potentially the Teaching Council (falsification of official records is "gross misconduct").

    *You have to go thru the schools process before going to Omb or TC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭csirl


    P.S. this wouldnt happen to be a certain school in west Dublin where this appeared to be the modus operandi when a parent complained about something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,085 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    +1 on this approach. Collect all the information and the school is obliged to provide all records, emails etc about your child. Then you have a right to have erroneous information corrected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    thank you the school refused and refused us to see the Board of management. Chairman and principal are best buddies also the principal is the secretary…. There’s a great level of corruption.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,085 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hey OP, I experienced something similar. I worked in a hospital on an internship (unpaid) and was bullied and harrassed relentlessly throughout it. I did my best to bear it but one day found my medical records in someone's office so I raised the issue with my line manager. Following it they started messing me around more, they removed my passwords and access to the tools to do my job, deprived me of my lunch vouchers (I was unemployed and unpaid and they were as much as I was supposed to receive) and then tried to frame me (for theft).

    I eventually went to a solicitor and contacted the DPC but they went and offered the solicitor a contract and the dpc only advised me to write them a letter. The shtf after that but I met a family friend with a relative in the hospital one day who were both former employee relations sector people, (on a national level) so I informed them of what was happening hoping that they could help.

    After a bit of discussion I was offered a lift home and on arriving at my destination he stopped the car and locked the doors and told me that the reason he had been at the hospital was because his son was an in-patient in psych and explained that he was schizoid heroin addict and was accusing him of sexual abuse. He took out a napkin from his pocket and started drawing diagrams of how his son was suggesting he molested him, to try and explain that it was all bs.

    Obviously I was a bit freaked out and considering I had my own stuff to deal with did my best to get out of the car and, while I told my mother what had occured at the time I had absolutely no idea how it was all going to pan out. Cue several years later and unable to gain any kind of employment, I find I'm being accused by him of all the things he was accusing his son of.

    I went through what you experienced OP, I even contacted Leo Varadkars department on a number of occasions and made reference to the issue with Government parties as my role was state sponsored one and was without any provision for my welfare and safety.

    I contacted the garda immediately after I left the role and followed up on a number of occasions with several organisations dealing with sexual abuse and harassment. Around this time I began to receive a random caller to my home mumbling nonsensical things and always ending the conversation with a veiled threat of murder. This went on for seven years.

    I installed security cameras and obtained recordings of the threats at my home and then contacted Tusla and requested any files they held on me via the FOI. Tusla was able to clarify that my record was clean and they were able to advise me on who to contact if I wished to make a formal complaint.

    The entire process with Tusla is very transparent. If there is any information held on you that is untrue you have the opportunity to have it corrected or amended. You can proceed with a defamation case if anyone has falsely accused you or made a malicious report about you. You can also contact the office of the ombudsman and make a formal complaint about the school. Keep notes and document everything.

    (the Tusla process involved having a garda sign my ID and request forms so you'll need a printer and scanner ready, it usually takes a month to six weeks to process)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    thank you. The problem is not tusla but the principal that does nothing but show hate to me and my family. Sadly no one cares



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I had to contact tusla to ask for advise due to the rule kids can’t be out of school more that 20 days and is illegal to kick kids out if the school when they have to sit school exams living and junior cert. The principal got vindictive and wrote a maliciously report that I am beating up my son, that he constantly went to school bruised and with swollen hands. My son suffers from extremely severe asthma attacks and migraines so we are constantly in Temple st or D doc. Every thing he wrote to tusla is a lie and I can prove it. I wrote to ms Norma Folley and Simon Harris asking for help but to no avail. All I want is that report removed as it was done to hurt us. 

    A school principal made a false report to TUSLA, wanted to remove my kids from HIS SCHOOL and cancelled my ambulance when I suffered a major panick attack in school. TUSLA workers than removed the insulting words from the report when we received the copy. After reporting the matter only now we received the complete report.

    I'm not understanding the complaint. If a school principal made a malicious report accusing you of beating up your son, and Tusla have provided you with a redacted report on request, then either the report stands or you can have the report amended. Someone can't just accuse you of beating up your son unless they have either witnessed it or are privy to some information. What say's your son in all this, I'm assuming he is capable of speech and can testify to any beatings allegedly given.

    I don't see how you can deal with the issue with the principal until you have arrived at an agreement with the Tusla report. It would be the only and correct way to approach the matter. If he has made a malicious report then he can be dealt with by the courts. All you have to do is prove it is a malicious report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    my son is 15 soon to be 16 captain of junior debate team was one of the finalist for public speaking he wrote a letter together with my daughter where he said that the allegations bought against me are a figment of Mr L imagination, he explained to Mr Simon Harris , TUSLA Ms Norma Foley how he feels, he also explained that he participated in debates and went in Erasmus trip also different trips with the school. No one ever raised any complaints. We constantly take trips to temple st because of asthma and migraines. No one so far got back to us. We have no support, no help and our family gets constantly bullied by the principal. I would love to ask Ms Folley from one mother to another what if this was her family?
    I cry every day from the injustice but what hurts the most is how there’s no one there to help. No one cares enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭Gaspode


    Go to a solicitor right now, its the only decent recourse you have open to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭csirl


    One more tip. When submitting the FOI to Tusla for their file on you, include in the request that you also want a copy of the "access log" for the file. You will need this to ascertain the damage done by the false accusation - you'll be unpleasantly surprised at the extent of the damage done.

    Tusla has a brand new case management system which cost a fortune and is supposed to be secure, GDPR compliant. It records everyone who accesses every confidential file.

    When my family member received the access log under FOI it turned out that dozens of Tusla employees and at least one non-employee; who had absolutely nothing to do with the file/case and no reason to access what is sensitive personal data, had accessed and read the file. It appears that Tusla's system is essentially used like Instagran or Facebook by Tusla employees accessing information for gossiping purposes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's a special place in hell for those c*nts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    dear readers I need you just for today please my heart is shattered in millions of bits. The tradition is that the head girl in the secondary school that my daughter was will have a class name after her to celebrate her accomplishments. The principal took that also from her she is heart broken. This man shouted at her, kept her terrified a whole school year and because she refused to speak with him without me or her dad he took away her right, he also took away her graduation speach . His hate and anger are unstoppable there’s not one single person to keep him accountable. How is possible dear reader that there’s not one single organisation supporting ordinary everyday people??

    From all organisations we contacted no compassion no empathy a man in Barbados I was trying to explain to the abuse my family went through was giving out to me for crying 😢. I wish that just for one day I was pain free. I wish to be able to believe again that kindness and compassion are not extinct. I would also love to thank everyone for the support and kind words. Please join my facebook page Let’s be heard a support group for parents to just be there for one another. I only have started it. All help is appreciated.

    let’s be kind with one another help each other as I am sure that we are not the only family that is getting abused due to powerful people s pride

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not that I'm buying this but, you can name the school. You can contact the Ombudsman and make a formal complaint. You can contact a solicitor and seek legal advice. You can contact a local representative and ask them to take a look at the case. At this stage it might help to contact your doctor and seek medical help.

    It took 7 years before I had hard evidence to back up my case, up until that point no one believed me either. Not the guards, not the counsellors, not the local representatives. It was soul destroying and I tried to end my life on multiple occasions. A week later the guy turned up on my doorstep again and I caught it all on camera. (twice) The moment I had footage they were all silenced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    I have went to my GP my daughter was diagnosed with depression and anxiety , contacted ombudsman for children, Ms Foley Mr Harris I have sent to them everything all the proof. Solid proof. He has connections and knows people high up. Kicked a girl from school just cause he felt like it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Have you tried contacting Joe Duffy? Some negative publicity on the radio might force him to act decently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    sorry but in 2024, a principal can’t just kick children out of a school. There’s a very limited set of circumstances and a very long and detailed procedure to be followed.

    Whatever the truth is here, we’re definitely not hearing the full story.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I agree, some outlandish claims being made here. Make a formal complaint and let it be investigated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    than why doesn’t any of the media report this will all the documents supplied to prove the truth and why doesn’t adjudicator allow media in the room when we specifically ask for. Because this country is run by corrupt people that do not care about the safety of the children. I bet that’s exactly what kids raped by the priest were told. It is really really sad. I hold nothing back hiding nothing tried to contact any sort of news paper provided all documents. The kid that bullied my daughter was Irish and we are not. Yes there’s so much more to the story. Like minister Norma foley paying MHC SOLICITORS TO DEFFEND HIM . I hope if you have kids you never have to go through this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 antibully


    I did made a complaint to WRC media refused access…. I woander why Is that



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I really don't understand what the WRC have to do with it.

    Did you report the bullying of your child to the police?



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