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Building costs. Jan 2023

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  • #252
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    We are actively looking at getting quotes now.

    I sent our architect plans to a company and they asked for €800 + VAT for a basic quote using our architect plans or €6,000 + VAT for an in depth quote.



  • #253
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758897#Comment_121758897

    I would be looking for another company or builder to get a quote

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #254
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121758897#Comment_121758897

    Did you get anywhere with your quotes?



  • #255
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051452#Comment_122051452

    Now looking like 2026 before we start anything.



  • #256
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    typo



  • #257
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    did you get any ballpark figures, will hopefully start enquires later this year myself



  • #258
    dollylama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭dollylama


    Are material prices coming down, holding or increasing? Shortage of trades seems to be a big problem too and the trades that are there are naming their price



  • #259
    crinkley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭crinkley


    for me insulation and concrete have all gone up in the last couple of months



  • #260
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    First st quote back was €85,000 - €90,000



  • #261
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭obi604


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058278795/building-costs-jan-2023

    I am the original poster from Jan 2023 😬

    Over 1.5 years have passed since I posted

    High level, right now versus then : I guess costs have continued to go up?

    Post edited by obi604 on


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  • #262
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501123#Comment_122501123

    Yes! Material prices have stabilsed, to some extent, but labour costs continuing to rise.



  • #263
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    ....



  • #264
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265225#Comment_122265225

    First quote back was €85,000 - €90,000



  • #265
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭obi604


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537065#Comment_122537065

    For what?



  • #266
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537077#Comment_122537077

    For this, my original post from a few months ago.

    We are in a bungalow and looking to do a job in our attic in West Dublin.

    Job will be Remove roof, new stairs, add two dormers, increase overall height by about 2ft and put two new bedrooms, a new bathroom and a small office up there.

    The space is 35sqm. All planing has been approved.

    Pre Covid our quotes were:

    Builder 1 €87k

    Builder 2 €98k

    Builder 3 €133k

    Builder 4 €154k

    Going to start trying to get new quotes in the next few months and I don't know what to expect.



  • #267
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537111#Comment_122537111

    Is the range in the quote due to something being excluded or is it an estimate rather than quote?



  • #268
    j14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭j14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537210#Comment_122537210

    No, all builders visited the house and all builders quoted for the same job.

    The €154k quote included mood boards and vision boards and 3D Renders with AI and physical models and all sorts of madness.



  • #269
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537111#Comment_122537111

    In hindsight the two quotes sub 100k were good prices. Problem now is will these lads quote again. In theory it's not a extremely difficult job and could be completed in 100 days if everything went to plan. You are probably looking at a minimum costbof 300/sqft or 110-115k.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #270
    DrPsychia
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122624236#Comment_122624236
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122624012#Comment_122624012

    Just because the tender is cheap, doesn't mean the quality of work will be good, although the same can also be said for the most expensive.

    You have to question, how can Builder A undercut all the other builders by such a considerable margin. What corners will they cut? Ask for a breakdown of estimated costs. Consult a Quantity Surveyor to get a reasonable idea.

    Buying cheap often leads to buying twice, this translates to everything from tools to building works, based on my experience. I think it would be worth hiring a building engineer to periodically inspect the work at different stages to ensure work is done properly, regardless of who you hire.

    I worked with a guy that built a new house in Wicklow a few years ago, he went with a cheap quote from a family run business. He had nothing but problems. His house is draughty, airtightness is a problem, UFH causing lots of bother. There are lots of small but super important details to building a modern, warm home/extension. Get those details wrong and you'll have problems. Some builders/tradesmen, even those with lots of experience, are quite dismissive of current best practices for insulation/ventilation/airtightness. There are some fantastic tradesmen who are very knowledgeable and love to discuss detail, but they are usually expensive.



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  • #271
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Some builders/tradesmen, even those with lots of experience, are quite dismissive of current best practices for insulation/ventilation/airtightness.

    Agreed!



  • #272
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633068#Comment_122633068

    I would not agrèe. There is a lot of price gouging going on. Lads pricing to see what the market will bear. My son is build a house at present. Prices can vary by 20-30% and this is only at the trade stage. Price has f@@kall to do with quality IMO. A lad that is going to gouge you is going to gouge you any way he can.

    Yes there can be a problem with adherence to airtightness requirements however some of the building regs are crazy and along with certification are adding crazy costs to building. Without compromising quality you could shave 25-30% off a house costs by not needing a mortgage and that is not paying cash

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #273
    DrPsychia
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635066#Comment_122635066

    I am not very experienced in this field, can you please elaborate on how you think some regs are crazy? We didn't have enough regs during the Celtic tiger and it caused a lot of problems as we all know.

    When you say that you can save up to 30%, do you mean by pricing around?

    I'm just sharing my experience. I got cheap work done before for a few jobs, promised high quality workmanship(had to be redone), the difference in workmanship and attention to detail was very noticeable compared to the more expensive options. I'm not saying this applies across the board to all trades, and I absolutely agree that some lads will gouge.



  • #274
    scwazrh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637762#Comment_122637762

    We had plenty of regs during the Celtic tiger , they were just ignored with no oversight and self certification in place .And it’s not hugely different now.Despite the extra regs if they are ignored there will be little to no accountability for mistakes on site.

    It’s more the application and paperwork of regulations that I see as the issue .I don’t think anyone is against improving the quality of buildings but there are elements of regulations adherence that are getting excessive.

    Example I came across this week in Kildare - Small Porch extension 4sqm to front of a 1970s house , build cost of €18k Planning application €3k , BCMS opt and final certification by engineer €2k , Draft DEAP report now required with all commencement notices €500 .So 35% additional above build cost for what has no value to the homeowner and for a project that regardless of how it is built will have no negative impact on the current property.



  • #275
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637762#Comment_122637762

    Radon barriers have to be installed by a certified fitter. However you have to do all the work fit the piping, vents and radon traps. Skim the complete area with sand. You lay out blocks for to hold down the membrane. The certified fitter then arrives lay out the membrane tapes around the any pipes coming above ground ( toilets ducts into plant room etc) if you have above approx 5 they charge extra ( ie if you wanted to have your sink and shower waste pipes down below subfloor).

    The total materials cost about 450 euro for my sons house, the fitting company charge 1200+vat forthe installation. That was the cheapest price next cheapest was 1800+vat.

    The Installation crew of two lads took 45 minutes to do the job. The crews are notorious for trying to find an issue so they can charge for a call back.

    It's a job any body could do and your engineer should certify

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #276
    mickie smyth
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭mickie smyth


    Just curious about your original post, you said that extra costs don't apply when a mortgage isn't needed, but as far as I can see, all these additions are needed regardless of financing source. Am I missing something?



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  • #277
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,332 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122644396#Comment_122644396

    It would be helpful if you quoted the post you are referring to or at least say who you are addressing.



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