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Solar PV Hints, Tips & Troubleshooting

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Zappi should be able to work without the solar CT. As all it needs is the grid as it's monitoring export.

    Having a solar CT is nice, but not required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Ok, so I've the standard set up I suppose you could say in terms of EV functionality, correct?

    And solar inclusion is a nice to have as you have a better overview of everything going on, otherwise you just see what the charger is using and what the home is drawing from or feeding to the grid, and it's generally optional?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah you'll just see what's coming or going to the grid.

    To see actual house use, you'll need the solar CT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Cool, thanks for the clarification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Are there many resources for mounting inverter and battery on the exterior of your house?

    My attic is converted so there's no space, and Im not too comfortable putting a battery inside. I started looking at electrical cabinets and maybe adding insulation and a small heater if necessary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    The majority of kit is IP65 rated. So it will happily go on an outside wall without any cabinets or heaters. Might need to be somewhat sheltered

    Some battery units would not be suitable for outdoor installation - the type that go into a rack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Dozz


    Hi.

    I was wondering if anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

    How can I set my Solis inverter up to dump any battery excess to the grid by 2 am in order for me to charge it between 2&6 am?

    Am on the Energia EV plan.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    nvm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    You need automation.

    You need the inverter to be controllable by Home Assistant. Home Assistant would have to be able to change the operating modes.

    I don't know if this is possible or how easy it is with a Solis. It is certainly easier with a Sofar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi, apply for inverter control on Solis website, this allows you to remote change the basic settings on the inverter including charge and dis-charge times.

    So ours charges batteries 2-6 Energia EV window, then discharges from 10.30 to just before 2am.

    So far works well.

    Oh and you can change charge and dis-charge current, I've not needed to change either of those.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



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  • Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭The devils




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Another maybe silly question, I have a large featureless space on a South facing vertical wall, maybe 4m x 3m.

    I saw examples of solar fences, any idea what the difference is between vertical panels and those at the ideal 35 or 40 degree tilt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Just bang in 1kwp as the size, pick where you are in the country on the map with your mouse, and then see how much you get with 40deg and compare to 0 deg slope.

    https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How low of a percentage can Solis batteries be used to? I'm assuming zero but maybe that's an incorrect assumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    Well a solis inverter won't let you drop below 4%. I have a weco which is good for a 100% discharge but I can only use 96% of it.

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Are all 17 panels producing at the same time? You won't get 7kw with a 5kw inverter you'll suffer from what's called clipping. If you have a battery you can run the house from it in the night and charge it during the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭bilasy


    need a bit of advice, I recently (last Friday )installed 17 panels 430 each, would it be right to assume that the system could generate in or around 7KW in a day provided all conditions are met?

    I’m only getting a maximum of 5.3 KW ?

    The inverter is 5KW as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭deezell


    The inverter is limited to 5KW input to the grid. Panels will have a peak available output output of 7.3 Kw, in ideal conditions. The inverter can only harness 5KW, with a bit of headroom up to 5.3. Unless you have batteries that can take panel excess, or a hybrid inverter with an off grid branch circuit, you'll miss out on the extra 2KW during the peak window (clear, sunny, midday, summer). The advantage of oversizing is you'll maintain the grid maximum for a longer period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    Look at your Data. Look at the DC voltage for EACH of PV1 and PV2. It sounds like one string could be dead



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭bilasy


    I think I mixed up the 7310 KWP figure but that doesn’t necessarily generate 7KWHr am I right?



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The max the inverter can output (to the house) is 5kW.
    Do you have a battery? You may be able to get a bit more output if the battery is empty



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭bilasy


    no battery , exporting yo the grid , so if my panels are 7310KWP how much KWHr they are expected to generate?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Well it's 7.31kWp

    While there will be a bit of clipping it's only on the perfect days

    On average this website is pretty spot on

    https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/#PVP



  • Administrators Posts: 397 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭System


    This discussion was created from comments split from: Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2024 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭bilasy


    I don’t know how to use it



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Don't worry about it. An array that size will serve you well in the winter months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    Don't confuse kW's and kWh's.

    KW is your output at any particular moment

    KWh is your total generation for a period of time.

    So what was your kWh for today ? What was your highest kW during today ?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    A very rough estimate would be 5500-6000kWh/ year.

    Website isn't too bad, click on the map where you are, put in your kWp, and also the direction and slope of your panels.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭bilasy


    Hi, thanks for your reply

    So far today it produced 17 KWH maybe will hit 20 before it’s dark but I’m not sure

    Highest KW achieved since today is 5.42 KW

    Thanks again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭idc


    Father in law recently got Solis inverter. Can see on basic info page price is set at 0 euro/kWh. How can i change this? Or is this tied to installer and only he can set info like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭munsterfan2


    Hi,

    If you are using the solarman addon to talk directly to the wifi sticks on solis ( older version 2 stick ). The following automation should give you an idea

    <code>

    alias: Set Battery Discharge (Pause Zappi)
    description: Discharge Excess Battery to Grid
    trigger:

    • platform: time
      at: "22:15:00"
      condition: []
      action:
    • device_id: fd2123e941axxxxxxxxx - Zappi
      domain: select
      entity_id: 2e935353fxxxxxxxxxxx - Charge Mode
      type: select_option
      option: Stopped
    • choose:
      • conditions:
        • condition: numeric_state
          entity_id: sensor.bms_soc
          above: 90
          sequence:
        • service: solarman.write_holding_register
          data:
          register: 43142
          value: 550
        • service: solarman.write_multiple_holding_registers
          data:
          register: 43143
          values:
          - 2
          - 0
          - 6
          - 0
          - 22
          - 30
          - 2
          - 0
      • conditions:
        • condition: numeric_state
          entity_id: sensor.bms_soc
          above: 70
          sequence:
        • service: solarman.write_holding_register
          data:
          register: 43142
          value: 550
        • service: solarman.write_multiple_holding_registers
          data:
          register: 43143
          values:
          - 2
          - 0
          - 6
          - 0
          - 23
          - 15
          - 2
          - 0
      • conditions:
        • condition: numeric_state
          entity_id: sensor.bms_soc
          above: 60
          below: 70
          sequence:
        • service: solarman.write_holding_register
          data:
          register: 43142
          value: 550
        • service: solarman.write_multiple_holding_registers
          data:
          register: 43143
          values:
          - 2
          - 0
          - 6
          - 0
          - 23
          - 30
          - 2
          - 0
      • conditions:
        • condition: numeric_state
          entity_id: sensor.bms_soc
          above: 40
          below: 60
          sequence:
        • service: solarman.write_holding_register
          data:
          register: 43142
          value: 550
        • service: solarman.write_multiple_holding_registers
          data:
          register: 43143
          values:
          - 2
          - 0
          - 6
          - 0
          - 1
          - 0
          - 2
          - 0
      • conditions: []
        sequence:
        • service: solarman.write_holding_register
          data:
          register: 43142
          value: 0
        • service: solarman.write_multiple_holding_registers
          data:
          register: 43143
          values:
          - 2
          - 0
          - 6
          - 0
          - 0
          - 0
          - 0
          - 0
    • delay:
      hours: 3
      minutes: 45
      seconds: 0
      milliseconds: 0
    • device_id: fd2123e941a96xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Zappi
      domain: select
      entity_id: 2e935353f794xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Charge Mode
      type: select_option
      option: Eco+
      mode: single

    </code>



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    In the Solis app, go into your plant > three-dots at top right > modify info > tariff management.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    I think your setup is working fine. Looking at my similar-sized setup albeit across 3 aspects where I generated 16.1 kWh on the 24th, in Dublin City.

    I suspect you’re getting your kW, kWh and kWp’s a bit mixed up, coupled with the clipping that your oversized system is doing by design. The following two videos are great and will really help you better understand what to expect from your system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭bilasy


    both video were very enlightening thank you so much



  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Borax2709


    Couple of questions for the real pros on here. Hopefully related/in the right place.

    1 - If I get a hybrid inverter installed now - how easy is it to get a battery done later? I've gotten a v good quote on Panels/Inverter install but the company is looking for MAD money for a battery (same battery is 1.1k on solarb**s.ie and they are looking for 3k more for battery install). Is this in ANY way DIY-able? Or if it is not - would a RECI even do it as a standalone job? If someone told me that it was a €300 job for someone to get a battery added [ on top of battery cost ] that would swing the decision - but if it's €1200 and nobody will "touch another installer's work" then the opposite is true I think!?

    2 - Are there any inverters / battery combinations I should stay away from if I do want the monitoring (local!!) as described above via solarman etc? I am well equipped with HomeAssistant at home, and I'd be looking to add monitoring in there [ not cloud based if possible! ]. Are there any combinations I should steer clear of? Quotes have come in for Sofar Invertor, Solis Invertor. And then Dyness battery is what I think is most likely (caveat above). Ideally I'd be able to do force discharge to take advantage of night rates etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    There's even a thread on here for a DIY battery build.

    Controllable with HA would be a Sofar or Sunsynk / Deye



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Or any inverter with Modbus, which is just about every inverter on the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Are there any settings/precautions to take when heading off on holidays for a couple of weeks? Obviously knock off any overnight charging, anything else?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Not really, no. Turn off your Eddi via the app if you have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    ABSOLUTELY Don't do that. Buy at cheap night rate, and have as much export as possible every day



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  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Borax2709


    Am I going to have to get my hands dirty to integrate with the modbus or are there off the shelf solutions for connectivity?

    Think I've been saved here already on this!



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Should be no need for soldering or anything of that sort. Depending on whether the inverter supports Modbus RTU (most common), or Modbus TCP, you have a number of different options. For Modbus RTU, get yourself a good quality USB to RS485 adapter (FTDI or similar), and then connect to the RS485 port on the inverter. Within HA, you then add a config file which maps out the Modbus registers for your inverter. See this as an example for Solis Hybrid inverters. For Modbus TCP, the config is similar, but the hardware side is simpler - just connect the device to your LAN.

    There are other solutions such as SolarAssistant, but you can nearly always achieve what you want with native Modbus and Home Assistant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭randombar


    I'm controlling SolarEdge via HA too. Works very well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Dozz


    I was away for a few days and kept getting email from my Solis inverter saying "No Battery"

    Home today and I see the puredrive battery (5kw) showing the red led circle.

    Have tried restarting both the inverter and battery but inverter still showing no battery.

    Any ideas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Is there anybody on here with mostly west orientated panels and generating good electric. I can get 12 west facing panels and 6 south on my roof. 1 Installer said my west would receive light early in day too(noon ish) as west roof higher then south facing bit. Just wondering is it worth it, we do use most electric in evening as of now but that may not always be the case. In winter west would have v little generated i would think.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yearly output is about 3.4MWh, for the west only,

    On the non sunny days in winter, the west (per panel) will generate as much as the south. As



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Cheers man, you are a fountain of knowledge. Ground mounting is an option for all south facing but its handier and cheaper to roof mount as my garage does not have power yet. Have you south panels aswell and do they do much better? I am on tou and 5-7 my most expensive time so may make sense to do 12 west 6 south. How many panels generate that 3.4MWh?

    Post edited by newhouse87 on


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    That was done on 4.8kwp west only.

    This website is where I got the info, have a play

    https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/#PVP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Would the roofs on the left(south facing) and on right/straight ahead in pic(west facing) in first attachment impact negatively on each other, shading etc? Installer wanted to put 12 on west facing roof in attachment 2 and 6 on south in attachment 1.

    I was thinking putting 6 on both roofs in attachment 1 and remaining 6 on nearside west roof in attachment 2. Thinking that further over roof slots on west facing in attachment 2 will be last to get sun. Not sure if that makes sense.

    Post edited by newhouse87 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi, I'm no expert but maybe turn all off leave for 5mins the restart or maybe check the battery setting is correct on the inverter, type etc, can be done on the web gui if needed.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



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