Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

It fascinates me that MAGAworld suddenly care about the plight of the Palestinians.

Scratch that, no it doesn’t, I’m not in the least impressed by the supporters of Mr. “Finish the Job” (aka finish killing everyone in Gaza), using the plight of the Palestinians as some kind attack on the Harris ticket. If any of you MAGAs actually gave a damn about the people there it would be less incredulous…but we know you don’t really care.

As for Texas. It’s always voted red, but it’s urban populations are turning more blue over time. Trump did not win that state by all that many % last time and I can see that state eventually becoming a battleground state.

The fact that Harris might even have a chance in Texas or Florida also serves to deflect the resources of the GOP ticket. If their most populous “safe state” is no longer safe…they are in critical trouble.

Really, they would rather vote for a man who stated policy is to speed up the genocide.

True story.

So,

Have we heard anything about policy from Trump yet?

He is probably referring to this

https://youtu.be/rZSGspuxuhU?si=0zAMCClbCnFCitR6

againnnnnnnnn

So, put pressure on Harris to take a harder line against Israel using your vote as a bargaining chip. OK, so far so good.

She refuses to accept the demand. OK, then you don't vote for her. Fair enough.

But the needle scratch moment is that all that ends up happening from that is that you just have more chance of ending up with a guy who is considerably more pro-Israel/anti-Palestine, so you basically have more of the thing you didn't want in the first place. A self-own, really.

You're not going to have any great choices in US presidential politics if your main issue is the wellbeing of the Palestinian people, I'm sorry to say. You're more or less going to have shtty and shttier. I would suggest to those people that they can vote or not vote based on domestic concerns, but they will have to use more direct action to influence the course of the war in Gaza.

I suspect there is a significantly larger portion who support Israel, not wholly, but support nonetheless.

Biden's policy has been support with criticism. Trumps policy is absolute support.

Since it's a two horse race, these "abandon Harris" supporters would be indirectly enabling Trump's policy.

The thing is that I'm not sure there are enough voters nationally who want to push back on Israel that you could build a presidency-winning coalition out of them, so even if we say it would be better for the Democrats to take the L in this cycle and rebuild themselves into a party of more moral consistency, I don't think that an adjusted Israel policy would be enough of a vote getter. The youth vote may feel quite strongly on it, but I don't know if America as a nation does.

And while the Democratic party attempted to rebuild, dictator Trump might have four years to help render Palestine a smoking crater and leave nothing of the Palestinians but the fillings in their teeth.

If there is a way to address the suffering of the Palestinian people through American politics, I might suggest that it is through down ballot races because while someone like Harris has to attempt to span the chasm on the Israel/Palestine question, arriving at an answer not particularly satisfying to either side, Senators and Congresspeople do not - their views can be much more reflective of the people in their states/districts, and they can enact or stymie legislation regarding Israel with more impunity.

A vote for a third candidate, is still a vote for Trump.

If people want to hurry up the Middle East crisis and eliminate Palestine, vote for Trump or a third party. If you want to delay that, vote Dems.

I agree with your main point about holding the Dems hostage with your vote, however, a presidential race between a man who has gone on record to say Israel needs to hurry up, vs a woman who at least recognises the Palestinian people are in a bad way, AND with the spectre of Project 2025 hanging over this election is not the time to play that card. The time to play that card is in 2026 with the house and senate votes.

In fairness, I suspect Kamala Harris is no fan of Israel or Netanyahu and is secretly on the side of Gaza and the Palestinians. To say so in public though would be a catastrophic blunder in the US election context, so she has little choice but to play along with this 'both sides' nonsense. Also, many Democratic politicians probably share her views on Gaza (some of course have come out and openly said it and accused Israel of genocide).

The fact that the Trump heads are calling her a Communist and Marxist would suggest they don't believe for a moment she has any time for Israel - they weren't making these claims about Biden.