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Russia-Ukraine War (Threadbanned in op)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Would be fantastic if true, but I suspect rather than the rail system being on the brink of collapse, it’s more likely on the brink of serious curtailment.
    The Soviets left the Russians a very dense network of rail lines, and if they can’t maintain them anymore, I kind of expect them to pull a “Beeching Report” and pull a load of low traffic lines to cannibalise the parts and equipment on them. I imagine them doing their damnedest to keep a couple of critical trunklines going while sacrificing the rest.

    The problem with that however is that if the Russians are reduced to a handful of operating lines, Ukraine will have a much easier time crippling their logistics. One or two junctions destroyed, and a whole arm of the Russian network might get cut off in this situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭scottser




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The slow degradation does indeed seem to be the more accurate scenario.

    From last year:

    the number of delayed or suspended trains due to a lack of train personnel amounted to around 3,700 in 2023. Market players identified this problem as ‘extremely significant’, even if the number pales in comparison to the number of trains affected by maintenance issues. Following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, approximately half a million men were taken out of the economy for military duty, a number that could increase soon.

    […]

    Most of the problems faced by RZD are concentrated in the Far East region of the country. Over 2 million tonnes of goods were not transported in that area due to a lack of spare parts and a shortage of highly qualified staff in servicing companies in 2023. […]

    The locomotive deficit is aggravated by the reorientation of Russia’s exports to the East following Western sanctions. Exporting eastward requires goods to travel much larger distances, requiring more rolling stock to maintain freight volumes. 

    That was then, this is now:

    Russian Railways (RZD) says it can no longer accept freight trains coming in from Belarus in the direction of the Smolensk and Kursk regions.RZD notified its Belarusian counterparts about the infrastructure overload, according to BelZhD. Russian Railways put the measure in place on 12 August with no end date mentioned, which likely means Moscow itself does not [know] when it can resolve the issues.

    […]

    BelZhD says that Russia used a significant part of the Moscow Railway locomotive fleet to move its military to Kursk, as soldiers are even taken from the country’s most remote regions. However, there are now many abandoned trains waiting to be taken elsewhere. A shortage of locomotives and drivers hampers RZD’s ability to do so.

    In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it! Rounding up trained engineers and locomotive drivers and shipping them off for sacrifice in Donetsk and Luhansk means there's no-one available to keep your trains running efficiently. Extend that to airlines and other national infrastructure and it's that inefficiency that will eventually cripple the economy; sanctions (and fear of sanctions) are preventing market forces from resolving the problem in traditional ways (c.f. Mongolia's decision to say "no" to the new oil pipeline to China).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Maybe not, but the fact remains that any talk of not taking a particular course of action, in the vain hope that it will not trigger a particular form of retaliation by Putin is wishful thinking. Putin's declared plan is the complete destruction of Ukraine, it's people and culture. To destroy everything, and the very fact that it ever existed. But the tide has started to turn in this war. For the first time, Ukraine is forcing Putin into corners where he has to make decisions, where the outcome will not be good for him. Even his propaganda machine is now in deep trouble….hard to spin Putins mantra that only he can defend Russia and Russians, when Ukraine has taken a nice chunk of Russia itself and attacked Moscow. Putin is now on an increasingly sticky wicket, and if Muscovites and other Russian Cities thought that last winter was a bad one…wait until they see what next winter will bring!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Yup , and that line has some large viaducts along it's route , viaducts within atacms range.. so ... If it's still operational, its because Ukraine wants it still operational

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Apparently the weapons depo that exploded was attacked by newly unveiled cheap rocket drone

    most of the Soviet and the Russian turbine tech came from Ukrainian engineers

    “Russia big” works against Putin as he now has to chose between defending Moscow, Donbass or leaving the rest of the country vulnerable, they must be regretting using all that s300 ammo in ground attack mode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I'm imagining that , with an airburst cluster munition full of little land mines , flying up the runway ,at the start of the next drone attack , or scattering a thick line of those horrible incendiary munitions over a long line of su-34s before they have time to flee.

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Maybe that's an option, but it's still massively restrictive when you consider that even when the Kerch bridge was undamaged, and capable of full use, it was barely meeting demand. They had to reroute lots of stuff. So not only will half loads not do the trick, but they will also no doubt attract renewed attention from Ukrainians. Restrictions of all shapes and sizes are definitely taking their toll on Russian capabilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Since Russia's rail system is already creaking, the destruction of the oil terminal at Rostov should have a significant impact,-the fuel tanks will have to travel further on an already congested system , to bring fuel to Donbas and crimes,

    The Kerch straight ro-ro rail ferries being "removed"won't help , either the fuel will have to be transferred - or the trucks run at half capacity, either way valuable trucks held up ,

    And one of the other main alternatives to Rostov , would have been the the line through kursk , well one end of that isn't transporting anything for a while 😉

    None of it fatal to russian rail - yet - but it's ratcheting up the pressure and stress

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When you think about how many Ukrainians have and still are being killed by Russians, a nuclear attack by Putin which in turn would trigger such massive retaliation against him, that it would 100% destroy his ability to wage war, effectively stopping the war and the killing of Ukrainians and the destruction of Ukraine infrastructure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Looks like the Russians may be trying to bully another European country from supporting Ukraine. First the Germans, now Norway.

    https://www.twz.com/air/sabotage-confirmed-at-norwegian-air-base



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Not sure if anything comes of this, but we will see

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    What would that mean then I wonder? There allowed engage, Russian drones, missiles, cruise missiles. But would they be allowed shoot Russian planes over Ukraine sky? Or only if they shot 1st? Sure might as well go to war with Russia then if that's the case. Your killing them in the sky then. It's more or less a shooting war then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Seeing as the Russians have opted for WW1-style trench warfare and pointless "over the top" full-frontal infantry assaults, perhaps the Ukrainians have decided to try the even older-style mediaeval siege warfare, with the advantage of being able to cut off all useful supply lines from behind the occupied territories, without having to send any troops around the back?

    This new rocket-drone is surely going to put the wind up the Russian commanders. It's one less reason to worry about who gets elected to the White House, and one more reason to move yet more valuable assets yet further away from the frontline. There must surely come a point where the supply lines on the Russian side are so long, thin and congested that Ukraine will be able to target so frequently that the occupied territories will simply run out of sufficient men and materials to mount an effective defense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭engineerws


    If things go nuclear, I'm assuming that's the end of human civilization which would not be good for anyone let alone Ukraine?



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭engineerws


    Actual declared goals as reported by Reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-goals-russias-special-military-operation-ukraine-remain-unchanged-2024-02-07/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ah yes, the nuke threat being waved around again. How many times has it been recycled now as a not so vague threat.

    Very unlikely at a world level and if it does, well you or I mightn't have to worry about it.

    Meanwhile onwards with stopping the imperialist ambitions of a wannabe Tsar of some ancient Russian Empire.

    Even Lukashenko can smell the direction of things now and presumably getting more nervous by the week.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭castor 1


    FFS here you go again.

    Take a few iodine tablets and you’ll be grand 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    No one wants a nuclear conflict , including Russia,a tactical strike on Ukraine would have limited effect,because of the length of the front ,and would probably result in a full on destruction of all russian assets outside of Russia proper , and since pretty much the entire russian is in Ukraine, they'd probably be staying there as fertilizer,

    And a strategic strike would be even more serious, especially if it didn't work

    Putin was hoping to go down in russian history as "the great" like his idols , not as "the awful " , or the disaster , and certainly not to be remembered as the ruler who finished Russia ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Ah one of our Vatniks returns. You've left us in the dark for a while now. Really rude of you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭engineerws


    No one wants a nuclear conflict , including Russia

    Hard to disagree with that although there's probably some nutters who'd like it. @jmreire outlined a strange scenario to which I responded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,571 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I wouldnt worry ,its always darkest before the Don

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭weisses


    In the context he responded to? No it would not. Just read back and you will find out what was discussed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,110 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No one wants nuclear war. There however individuals who believe in appeasing Putin and giving him whatever he wants because he has nuclear weapons.

    Putin's plan is to conquer Ukraine, absorb it into Russia and pretty much erase the Ukrainian culture and language (which is why they are dismantling Ukrainian identity in occupied areas and forcing children to only learn Russian in schools).

    You've responded to that by regurgitating Kremlin propaganda as reported on.

    If this was the first time you've done that in this thread I'd have more patience, but yet again you appear to parrot Russian propaganda.

    Do you support Putin or do you just "hate the West" so much that you share the same page as Putin and keep repeating this stuff?

    (And don't try the "I'm just asking questions" or "I don't know much about this" lark again)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,617 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    The kremlin says a lot of things. They also said that they would honour the Budapest agreement and that they wouldn't invade Ukraine.

    My rule of thumb is that whatever the Russians say, the opposite is true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And if I remember correctly, my last reply to a comment of yours was along the lines of " YAWN", so in case you have forgotten here it is again… "YAWN".



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