Cold Blob

Great article on just this (non-paywalled), a longish read but worth it i feel.

There is no blob at the moment.

Temperatures to the immediate North of Ireland are a little below normal (light blue), temperatures to the west are more or less normal (grey), while those to the south and south-east are above normal (light yellow). At the moment there is a significant anomaly down the east coast of Argentina where there are a lot of blue areas on the chart. In general, further west in the Atlantic from Ireland, there are higher sea surface temperatures (orange and red), which means more moisture in the air, which means more rain in Ireland if the jet stream is headed our way.

https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/products/ocean/sst/anomaly/

That chart will change every day so by tomorrow, next week or next month, it will show something different to what is in my post.

Most of the world is showing higher sea temperatures than normal, other than the blue around South America and the blue south of Greenland, but Ireland is at the lower end of the spectrum, which means there may be something in what the article says, but nothing like the doom-mongering.

Junk computer model output that floats around the internet like jetsam washing up on a beach on the Atlantic coast, every few months a journalist in need of easy click bait content pushes out this story. Ken Foxe is being lazy, this article is especially poor, no mention of who actually delivered these presentations.

The Potsdam institute for climate (PIK) alarm is usually the original source for this. You will typically find papers with Stefan Rahmstorf in the attribution when you dig a bit. Maynooth University tends to be the local echo chamber for PIK in Ireland.

Msytic Meg could look into crystal ball to see the future when you crossed her palm with silver. The professors and researchers are using the digital equivalent of a crystal ball. Next time you see this ask yourselves.

1. Who is presenting this and which organizations do they represent?

2. What computer models are they using to produce this output?

3. Do said computer model outputs and their interpreters have any demonstrated skill at predicting the future?

4. How much more tax payer funds are they looking to waste on compute cycles to produce this garbage?


Next time you see clickbait AMOC, read this letter.

Sir,

Your News story “Gulf Stream probed for early warnings of system failure” (Nature 427, 769; 2004) discusses what the climate in the south of England would be like “without the Gulf Stream”. Sadly, this phrase has been seen far too often, usually in newspapers concerned with the unlikely possibility of a new ice age in Britain triggered by the loss of the Gulf Stream.

European readers should be reassured that the Gulf Stream’s existence is a consequence of the large-scale wind system over the North Atlantic Ocean, and of the nature of fluid motion on a rotating planet. The only way to produce an ocean circulation without a Gulf Stream is either to turn off the wind system, or to stop the Earth’s rotation, or both.

Real questions exist about conceivable changes in the ocean circulation and its climate consequences. However, such discussions are not helped by hyperbole and alarmism. The occurrence of a climate state without the Gulf Stream any time soon — within tens of millions of years — has a probability of little more than zero.

Carl Wunsch

Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences,

Massachusetts Institute of Technology,

I wish it would shutdown so we could have Canadian style winters. I am not gone on the prospect of warmer summers, though. We'll all be long dead by the time it did happen( which it won't)

The culture of fear.

"Warmer summers" - is that meant to be a threat or a promise?

The last two summers have been crap here so well believe it.

Actually wasn't this May our warmest ever on record?? . scrap that.

Finally, we might get actual defined seasons.

Ahh, bang on 😁 i

It reminds me of Dennis Quaid running in to the Pentagon demanding everybody listen to him about the North Atlantic currents and desalinization !

Real life imitating Art ?

I had the heat on for a bit this evening.

Cold Blob confirmed.

Led Zeppelin-style fur coats for all.

You are right, what the hell is a climate anyway? Stupid scientists with their PhDs and education, telling us all these lies.

Idiots, am I right?

"Somewhat" tongue in cheek!

Was responding to the below, original posted earlier in the thread.

https://archive.ph/aB0yM

The funny bit of them jumping on this, to use news of Ireland possibly getting much colder (climate change) as proof that climate change is a "scam" or fake.

You couldn't make it up

I appreciate your expertise. But there is no "normal" in the real world and anyone who claims there is is a charlatan. There is an average, a max/min, a standard deviation/variance and outliers. Until someone can show me a repeatable experiment that shows me a trend outside the range of the last 10 thousand years then I will happily ignore the charlatans.

Which may have been a fair question if it was asked or stated as suv but it wasn't it was more the climate isn't getting warmer see the climate change people are wrong.

Everyone should know at this stage that the climate has been changing for trillions of years that's fairly obvious but certainly a question I asked my self when getting more interested in the situation probably a very natural question to ask.

But all the scientific data points to an increase in the systems change that has never been seen before on the planet (outside of a few huge planetary catastrophes ) so why this huge increase in a small amount of time? (Unless you have a better answer then the major use of fossil fuels and destruction or the ecosystems that keep a balance to everything) Then you are just going against it for no good reason only just you believe it to be the case based on nothing. Do you have a better answer?

Also the more you learn about what is causing the increase the more you will understand.

Apparently one of earths ice ages was caused when trees when they evolved to grow high due to lignin, the trees grew big and tall and died and fell but nothing could break them down so all that carbon got taken out of natural cycles on earth and it took millions of years for bacteria/fungi to evolve and proliferate all over the planet to start releasing back the carbon and create more temperate climate.

These trees and plants that's couldn't be broken down actually are what became peat and coal. And would have been permanently locked away away all that carbon unless humanity did what it did.

Now we have burned all that carbon back into the ecosystem and of course it most likely will have the opposite effect of what happened when it all got locked away, added into al the other issues like deforestation and burning of other fuels, etc etc.

And now there really is no way for us to put this carbon back.

So even if we take your point that the climate is always changing well there are reasons why it was changed the life on this planet from the biggest trees to the smallest fungi have caused changes to happen so it would seem crazy to think humans couldn't have an effect given the changes we have made to the planet in the small amount of time we have been around.

You mean scientists whose whole careers depend on proving climate change has anything to do with human activities?

Not a healthy starting point.

Yeah, it’s called research. You’re belittling science because you don’t understand it, it’s a case of knowing enough to think you’re right, but not enough to know you’re wrong.

When a "climate scientist's" career depends on an outcome being one way that is a corrupting and corrosive influence.

There is no debate to be had. It just is.

You can sneer at people who don't believe this stuff or are highly sceptical all you like. It doesn't help your own cause.