The decline of SF?

Mad to think these chancers were a shoe in to lead the government in the very recent past.

I was ready to hold my nose and vote for them myself.

Yes, it is. Another reminder of the horrific legacy of SF/IRA.

I see we are back to talking about ceilings on SF support. 😁
Those not wanting ‘single black males in their estates’ have gotten a reaction from the government and Harris and nothing from the Shinners, they know who to support.

I'd agree with Pureza in thinking SF will do rather better in the GE than they did in the locals and Europeans. They've some strong teams and structures in Dublin, border counties, urban Cork. Could be a second seat for them in some constituencies, especially with the increase in overall seats up to 174.

It's down the country where they will always struggle. They just don't have the structures down there. A GE is fought on the doorsteps, and not online. A lot of traditional FF voters might grit their teeth, but I can see them transferring to FG for a second and third preference in much larger numbers than even 10 years ago.

Mike and Mary Middle Class are far more politically astute than they are given credit for.

I already proffered the theory that FG with FF on its coat tails are moving on because they are being more decisive than they were under the previous ditherer plus some honeymoon shine for Harris that will soon wear off.

If you think saying SF's new (post EU and coco think in) line will wash with me,of no SBM's in poor areas by saying it isn't a sop to council estate voters who left SF because them immigrants are taking our money and houses,then its so bloody transparent,my inteligence is being insulted by your assertion yes

It absolutely is an attempt to woo them back/stem the tide and its a clever move in my opinion

They never said what you claim:

no SBM's in poor areas by saying it isn't a sop to council estate voters who left SF because them immigrants are taking our money and houses

Here is what their policy says they would do:

The newly published policy focuses on moving away from a system of private profiteering, recommends auditing areas before choosing locations for accommodation centres, and engaging in meaningful consultation with communities.

Sinn Féin has long been vocal in its criticism of the government for not engaging in dialogue with communities where Ms McDonald said there are "well-grounded" frustrations and anger. Ms McDonald pointed out that the lack of transparency and consultation is something she has been raising since November 2022.

The Government's claim that consultation has taken place has fueled the sense of anger and led to a "very unacceptable situation" that needs to be remedied rapidly, she said.

Which is funnily enough much the same thing renegade FG and FF and Green councillors in the affected areas are saying too.

It's a re-iteration of what they have been saying for yonks as the article points out.

Sinn Féin has long been vocal in its criticism of the government for not engaging in dialogue with communities

If there is a purpose it is to keep the government honest as is their opposition duty. The government vociferously claim to be doing consulting and auditing even though their own people on the ground contradict this, I expect scrutiny of these claims to resume once the Dáil resumes business.

The government are therefore 'dogwhistling' first as they claim to be properly auditing and consulting.
You can't have it everyway here.
They are being held to account, and their own people are contradicting them.

The mess is of their making.

'overthrow'

Oh dear.

SF want to win a democratic election and have duties as the opposition to keep the government of the day honest.

No government can say they are consulting and then pre-empt the process.
You are either consulting or you aren't.
We know that in at least one case they are cherrypicking who they are consulting with and that in several others their OWN people on the ground have said zero consultation was had.

There is no consultation which makes liars of the government.

This is a fact whether you think consultation should or should not happen.

The government created the mess and are trying to deceive. We need only listen to what their own people are saying.

Their own people abd the opposition are doing the only thing they can-calling them to account.

You can’t help revealing yiur spots. Just another poster who thinks FF/FG are entitled to be in power and any one who challenges is cast as overthrowers. Painful

I have already. He/she is doing what you are doing - steadfastly denying the government have been caught lying and are being called out on it by their own and by the opposition, who the facts show have been doing just that since the mess began.

The sham of consultation is falling down.

Nothing new there Bobson if you know anything of your history. Gerry Adams was saying the same thing over 20 years ago, MLMD more recently.

The same ^^^ hypocrisy and forgetfulness, willing or otherwise that Simon Harris etc suffers from as he celebrates and commemorates Collins etc.
Same hypocrisy comes from Unionists who like to promote the image of themselves as only victims of a conflict/war.
Same rubbish everywhere - the British never coinsider that 100's of thousands innocents died by their hands (many of them Irish) too as they celebrate their hero's

It's an emotive post Bobson but that is about all it is.

SF want everyone to move on and forget all the bombjngs, sectarian shootings, kneecappings, torture, rape, child abuse, smuggling and intimidation. But they also want to commemorate the lads who did all that.
They want enquiries for some things, and other things brushed under the carpet.

Breath taking hypocrisy from them. A totally abnormal party.

The latest attempt to brush things under carpets was resisted by SF even though they too, as well as the British would have benefitted from it.
The IRA also have addressed the fact that wrongs and mistakes were committed and are the only combatants who have called for a Truth Recovery Process. The two signatories of the GFA who promised to do that, have so far not set one up.

Who are the hypocrites?

Well given this is only now an issue and these commemorations have been happening for years I’d say they were low profile and not done to ‘dis-respect’.

only now becoming an issue ?? fecking hell ye are so out of touch ye dont even hear the criticism , ye have only just stood back a little from firing shots by masked cowards over the coffins of dead bombers and other assorted murderers and criminals

The British side have their poppy day etc, the Irish side have local commemorations for fallen volunteers, etc

Will be that way for a long time.

No longer the issue they once were.

That's just life.

Look, all side were at it.

Should we condemn this as well

I personally wouldn't attended it but it's all old news at this side and commemorations will be ongoing for a long time, get over it, simple as.

I wonder are you a person who is more comfortable in the past than reality.

all sides ? lol kidnapping extorting drug dealers smuggling anything and everything ? goway with that nonsense will ya

youve some neck comparing murdering scum with murdered gardai. thats low , but to be expected

Ah the accusations without backup are flying. If they are an international crime cartel what does that say about those currently ‘running us’?
P.S. I asked you to back something up - where was the furore about annual commemorations in 2008/10/15 etc?
There was precious little is the answer.
The faux outrage now is as transparent as a newly washed window tbh.

Even according to the people he was hired by, he was not murdered, when they arrested the Irish volunteers for it. They charged them with manslaughter not murder.

It was unfortunate but a long time ago, he wasn't the nicest to many people .

All past now, let his side commemorate him ,let the Irish forces commemorate their own , and let the British side commemorate their own, that's just the way it is.

Move on, it's 2024