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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭3d4life


    With a promise from Uncle Vlad ……

    Hazard a guess

    ( I'd give him max 36 hours )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's not that "everything is a war crime these days" painting it as some new foolishness.

    It is that a lot of this stuff (e.g. blowing up a dam so as to flood a region, and kill/drive all the people out of it) became "war crimes" post WW2.

    Unfortunately for whatever reason we now seem to be regressing and may be entering a darker era where states with amoral/evil leadership that are powerful enough are going to do all of this stuff again unashamedly with impunity. Russia is leading the way and blazing the trail.

    Perhaps something to do with WW2 receding from living memory?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    This is what I think of everytime I hear that Belarus is concentrating troops on their border with Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Deub


    which is why the Ukrainians now keep pleading with allies to allow them to use long range weapons within Russia

    With this sentence you seem to imply, the “gamble” as you call it, is a failure. I wouldn’t agree with you. To me, Ukraine doesn’t gamble. They try to make maximum damage to Russia with as less loses as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Also while adhering to Geneva conventions

    They could attack nuclear plants, blow up dams, destroy hospitals/kindergartens/apartments and torture and kill prisoners like them “ordinary” Russians do with disturbing regularity

    But they don’t, instead concentrating on military and regime targets

    While we in west do **** all, if Ukraine loses will we do the same while its EU cities that get attacked in same manner next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Yeah, but Suckler clearly showed themselves up on their own, so all good. You bringing this all up again isn’t going to do you any favours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Bizarre. Ukraine has ALWAYS been looking for long range capability. 🤦‍♂️

    Ukraine invading Russia and looking for long range weapons has no causal relationship.

    Post edited by Avatar in the Post on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It is depressing. Seems to be nothing at all that Russia can do that will induce current US admin. to remove any more restrictions on weapons supply and use, or push forward other things that might help e.g. NATO air defences helping to cover Western parts of Ukraine.

    There may be paralysis in US decisons on all matters regarding the war coming up to their election - the aid to Ukraine, Russian sanctions (non)eforcement, how NATO should deal with Russia's escalating grey zone warfare and attacks in Europe.

    IMO it is terror from the Biden admin. of daring to change up anything in US foreign policy towards Ukraine/Russia war or in the ME, lest it affects the chances of defeating Trump in Nov. Unfortunately war is, I think, unstable and unpredictible by nature, and events may not wait on their preplanned democratic timetable. I would be kind fearful of what Russia might get away with (or perhaps I should say believe they can get away with) in Ukraine over next few months on the run up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭doyle55


    Ukraine has shown massive restraint in the face of Russian barbarity throughout this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    One of the drones from todays attack on Ukraine ended up in Poland

    Instead of slapping Putin so hard he doesn’t even consider using drones in western directions, we get nothing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    I would agree, that WWII receding from memory could be a reason. But one big reason is countries not having a free press. This gives their government carte blanche to do whatever atrocities that they want without their citizens having to know about it. When there is no shock or outrage from the people against the atrocity, the status quo is kept in leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,672 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    That's incredibly far away. Surely this isn't from a drone strike? Saboteurs, maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,520 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Depressing and bizarre. I don't think it's terror myself that's holding them back. Putin has been shown up to be a bully whose threats are almost meaningless at this stage. He'll do what he wants regardless of red lines. There was no line crossed for him to start his damn invasion. I think oil hit a decent price at the time, which is just as likely the trigger.

    While its easy to slam the US, Europe has been holding back too much too and using similar reasoning that might as well amount to appeasement. "We'll help them fight you back but not enough that you'll actually lose". It still hasn't dawned on most populations that this is a European war. It hits home for me regularly in conversations among my own social circle. Those seeds of mass confusion and disarray are the result of a very long game that dictatorships like Putin and the CCP have played out via massive disinformation campaigns and every population has its fair share of edgelords, contrarians, peaceniks (call them what you will) to cause a quite viscous inertia against making, what history will hopefully show, the correct decisions today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,419 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The big nations never stopped committing war crimes. It's nothing to do with WWII receding. Torture and carpet bombing civilians never went away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    We in Europe have been sheltered from war for too long that we think it will never come to our doorsteps.


    Putin was right, the West has gone soft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    All war is brutal and full of awful things, it is however only western or heavily western influenced states that take any heed of such things or have populations that care for such things or would view them as wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Gone soft and worse again run down armies to being completely ineffectual and weapon reserves down to levels where training is a problem never mind combat or sustained combat.

    Gone soft and no gun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I didn't mean the longstanding terror of Putin or Russia and "escalations", or Russian state collapsing into chaos if it loses the war etc. (and probably "terror" is too strong!).

    I think there may be an additional fear (or a different fear if other one is waning with time?) in Biden admin. now (just a few months away from the election) that they change things up (e.g. further relaxation of restrictions on weapons use) the impact at home could be unpredictible, so steady as she goes. I think that's a mistake as war is unpredictible anyway.

    I don't mean to blame the US, but they are the ones with the most weapons that can help Ukraine, they lead NATO and have a big effect on the policy of the other NATO countries in Europe more affected by the war.

    Bar extreme circumstances, the others cannot or will not make big decisions themselves without the US leading or at least encouraging them.

    Yes, I totally agree with you about how disengaged from it people in this country (Ireland) seem to be anyway. If following international news and events, they seem more worried and absorbed by the ME and Israel/Palestine etc., which is a bit mad on the face of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Suckler


    No, you just misrepresnted and misunderstood what I'd said but lacked the ability to admit you assumed wrong. Instead you stuck your fingers in your ears and proceeded with a nonsensical "you meant, you meant, you meant!!" ramble insisting you were right. At this point I have to ask if English is your first language?

    Also it's (unsurprisingly) unclear as to who or what you're now responding to…but I'm sure you've 'assumed' we'd know…

    Post edited by Suckler on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,419 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Sorry but I took you to mean that war crimes are something creeping back in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    You’re more transparent than you think. Your narrative is false. I already allowed you the last word, after repeatedly correcting you, because you have nothing else to do. But, here we are again. Either you or your fellow traveller seem to want to initiate nonsense. Try to grow up and stop derailing the thread. It’s like as if you don’t want this thread topic to be discussed. 👀


    Actually, I’m done with this, spew your BS all you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Seeing how all of the useful idiots are busy on the Durov subject it’s obvious the Kremlin is in full panic mode about their and their armed forces and population in general reliance on Telegram



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭eire4


    He was born in Pretoria and grew up in South Africa. He has Canadian citizenship through his Canadian mother which he got when he was a teenager moving there and later also got American citizenship.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    If Ukraine take Kursk it would be a huge feather in their cap. Russia don't seem to be capable/interested of/in stopping them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭rogber


    How naive do you have to be to think Russia signing up to anything means they will adhere to it? Ask the Ukrainians how much Russia's signature to any agreement is worth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭rogber


    No, you're projecting things I never intended. I don't think the gamble was a failure, unless its main aim was to slow Russia's progress in eastern Ukraine by making them divert troops - if anything the opposite has happened.

    As a morale booster and as another humiliation to Putin it's been a success. It also allowed them as already said to hit good military targets and capture prisoners to be swapped. All these things are good.

    Whether it will strengthen their hand in negotiations or slow Russia's progress in the east, which most experts agree are the two bigger aims, I think it's still too early to tell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    236 different types of missiles and drones fired in Ukraine!

    Give the Ukrainians what they need,and let them hit whatever they want inside russisa.

    Get this damn "Special Military Operation" finished once and for all!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    Western troops need to protect the Belorussian border and free up Ukrainian troops there. The west needs to get over its cowardice.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    So Putin launched whatever missiles he has because Telegram is going to be gone through with a fine toothcomb.

    Putin is worried his secret account will be found out. ..

    It'd be normal Putin behaviour. The weirdo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I think it was also a crucial run of combined arms manoeuvers that the west needed to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's mad. We see French, British, American jets rushing to shoot down a few score Iranian drones in order to defend Israel, a very capable military power. Meanwhile Ukraine must fight a much larger foe also using Iranian drones, with limits on attacking where the assaults are launched from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,576 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Zenelsky needs to use every weapon to its best capability, not beg to use them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    yep, and a demonstration that they could do it in secrecy too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Putin and his leadership grew up, educated in, started in the Soviet Socialist system.

    Zelensky wasn't , we weren't. The Soviet Socialist lesson would be to let Kursk burn, let everyone in it die but focus on taking Pokrovsk. That's a win and people are only people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That was an enormous missile attack on Ukraine. Reports suggest it cost Russia over a billion to conduct. Would make you wonder how many missiles Russia still has. I'd love to know how many they produce each month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    More how they can still produce this kit after two years of sanctions and having a smaller economy than Italy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They might have a smaller economy then Italy but their military industry is huge. Look at neighbouring countries exports to Russia. They've sky rocketed. Russia is paying a premium to import western tech needed for missiles and getting them through third parties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I don’t think the West will ever understand Russia.

    For years they have spewed out propaganda and misinformation that now America is more divided than ever, job done there thanks to Trump.

    They think differently after years and years of Authoritarianism and dictatorship. The Russian people are a lost cause.


    The only thing they might take notice of is a defeat on the battlefield.


    It’s an emerging democracy versus a bully Authoritarian, there should be only one winner for the sake of humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Yes, I have been transparent which is what you continue to fail to be able to comprehend.

    • My post 4818 mentioned 'retribution' ( I was clear in how I clarified it 4821/4853)
    • Your post 4820 jumped straight in with an assumption of "Suicide by Nukes"
    • Your post 4880 continued in your own assumed vein of "nukes/Da bomb"
    • Your post 4882 is a continued misrepresentation of what I'd written in numerous posts to fulfil what ever conversation you thought was happening.

    You openly admit you made an assumption in your own post 4899 - long after my first post about it. "Totally reasonable to assume" in your own words. You can assume, I wouldn't say it was reasonable what you arrived at, but when told your assumption is wrong, generally best not to get overexcited trying to reinforce it be just making up your own narrative and show your inability to admit you were wrong all along.

    Your also a great one for demanding answers, any chance you could answer where I'd advised they should refrain from antagonising Putin?? You've dodged it a while now.

    Post edited by Suckler on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Two days after I'd mentioned the potential loss in Pokrovsk, Forbes put out this - I suppose the usual suspects will just accuse him of being "Pro-Russian" for having the temerity to write the article…..

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/25/ignoring-the-ukrainian-invasion-of-kursk-russian-regiments-keep-their-eyes-on-a-major-ukrainian-prize-pokrovsk/

    But it's, *fortunately, not a done deal just yet.

    ('Fortunately' meaning a good thing for Ukraine for those who make assumptions)

    If there’s a glimmer of hope for the beleaguered defenders of Pokrovsk, it’s that Russian losses in the sector have been “heavy,” according to the pro-Ukraine Conflict Intelligence Team.

    And there are signs the losses are weighing on the Russian advance. “On the Pokrovsk direction, the enemy is beginning to experience resource shortages,” the Ukrainian Center for Defense Strategies noted. “The number of advance directions has decreased from seven to three in the space of two weeks.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I see Ukraine warning Belarus about troop build up. I would say that's a diversionary tactic to fix part of the invasion force away from Kursk.

    I often wonder would there be a mutiny in Belarus if they were forced to join the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭rogber


    Numerous articles explain how they are largely able to get around the sanctions by dealing with other countries with no morals only strategic interests, so they still have way more resources than the Ukrainians despite endless claims they'll run out of everything soon. Of course their economy is suffering in other areas but these repeated claims that they face imminent economic collapse are the usual wishful thinking, unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Why hasn't Putin done a false flag in Belarus and brought them into the war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,903 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's hardly his fault, if uses them without permission he may not get more.

    The Storm Shadow he wants to use is manufactured or supplied by 4 different countries at least, he would need permission from all 4.

    It's an absolute travesty he has to beg in public at all.

    This war is 2 boxers, one with a 80 inch reach and other with 40 inch reach, the lad with the 40 inch reach is roaring at his corner for help and is largely being ignored and has been since the start.

    It's very hard to compete in anything let alone a war when the rules only apply to one side.

    It makes what Ukraine have achieved even more remarkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You are just not capable of spending even a day without doom mongering and making snide remarks about other thread contributors, incredible.


    Let’s just ignore that vast majority of drones and missiles including “unstoppable” hypersonic ones from the largest attack in history of this war yesterday were stopped by a country that didn’t fall three years into three day war.

    Or that the frequency and volume of missile attacks has greatly gone down as Russia has to save months and months of production for what ultimately is a giant waste of money only so they can target civilians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,419 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They would have to spend resources defending the place. It wouldn't last a week on its own.

    Also it wouldn't work. Luka doesn't need a false flag to do what Putin said so you are relying on his military and people falling for it which they probably won't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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