Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Who is saying Harris will win?

Are you solely responding to that one poster then? Was there context to their statement that you are leaving out?

Yeah, the 'is/ought' dichotomy that has plagued philosophers for centuries, writ large on the global political stage.

Just because Trump is close to winning this election, doesn't mean he ought to be.

On all reasonable grounds for selecting a world leader, Trump fails on every one of them. And yet, he's still a coin flip from winning the election.

Usually when what 'is' is so significantly divergent from what 'ought' to be, it indicates a need for systemic change (of course, 'ought' is subjective)

I personally think there are a huge amount of things that are wrong with the US democratic system that have led to the situation where we are left with a demagogue being so close to clinching power again.

eg: The first past the post 2 party system means the political system is inherently crippled by two dominant political forces who are both hugely corruptable an almost impossible to replace

The funding model for US politics that allows billionaires and corporations to funnel money into their preferred candidates anonymously and with few if any actual limitations

The dissolving system of checks and balances, SCOTUS being corrupted by nakedly political appointments, who are making these kinds of interventions in the political system (citizens united, giving the POTUS immunity to prosecution, hanging chads in Florida, and the potential that they'll be the casting votes in the upcoming election if any race is challenged up to the SCOTUS)

The media being so polarised, with local media being owned by a tiny mumber of conglomorates that have polarised the US population and caused an extremely partisan hostile and uninformed electorate across the most consequential 'battleground states'

The only reason you can't write off trump is because he keeps running and taking centre stage for the GOP in a 2-party system where only a few states effectively come into play.

From a record perspective, he hasn't overseen an election "win" since 2016.

and that win was not with the popular vote.

Right now the only way he has a shot is voter roll and turnout shenanigans in several states. In reality the GOP are worried he might actually lose both Florida and Texas - Florida where he is worried about high turnout because of an abortion ballot initiative, and Texas because in 2020 the state nearly turned blue over one county, Harris County (ironic naming). Texas is currently in a massive voter roll purge, over a million purged. Reportedly in GA people say on Reddit for example that they’ve been purged from the rolls more than once this year and keep having to reregister to vote.

Yes, yes you would think it's more. But for some inexplicable reason, people keep "both-siding" them, or attacking Harris for "inexperience", or for whats happening in the Middle East (even though Trump would be categorically worse) or her gender or her race or holding Trump over Harris for doing interviews with handpicked, softball journalists who aren't miked up.

THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL AS EACH OTHER.

And I can see why @Akrasia is getting the thanks they are for that post pointing out Trump's flaws. It's a brilliant, beautiful, succinct post and makes it that friggin' simple. If I could thank it twice, I could.

Honest to God man, if YOU were running for president, you would have my vote over Trump.

Character HAS to be important in that job. You are a role model to millions.

At this stage I would encourage people to vote for ANYONE that wasn't that duplicitous moron.

Maybe if the "devils advocates" could just take a step back and look at the big picture, and then used that energy they're using to offer up "both sides" of the debate, maybe, JUST MAYBE, her lead would grow in the polls.

wow just wow 😮

Have you ever tuned into Fox news? They've been bombarded with indoctrination for decades, social media has increased that exponentially. This situation hasn't happened purely organically, it's been heavily cultivated. It's not exclusive to "one side", and it's certainly not exclusive to just the US. Extreme candidates have been gaining traction everywhere.

…Ah well there was the mayhem of 1912.

 Democratic Governor Woodrow Wilson of New Jersey unseated incumbent Republican President William Howard Taft while defeating former President Theodore Roosevelt (who ran under the banner of the new Progressive/"Bull Moose" Party)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_United_States_presidential_election

Exactly, and how could people form a solid opinion of her? She was a Vice President and VP's are largely absent from the political stage. They operate as a stand in for the President, should the need arise.

That's the norm.

She's far from a "joke" however. Which is, as you say, just another baseless MAGA slur in a long line of slurs. And let's be honest, as a faction that's their biggest attribute, if not their only attribute.

Either way, nothing is done and dusted as far as the election is concerned. But the thing is, I don't see anyone actually saying that it is. Not on the Dem's side anyway.

Pretty select data point you're using, she received all the democratic nominations for the current run