Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

I sense she is a capable canditate for the role of President. We've yet to see if she would be a good President, but that's almost always true of a new canditate for the role. We didn't get to see much of her in the VP role, but that appears to be typical of a VP. We didn't really see much of Biden for a lot of Obama's time either.

She's not new to politics and appears able to actually perform functional roles in government and lately has shown to be able to project a message & theme for their campaign. She also made the choice to bring Walz onto the ticket which appears to be a sign of some wisedom. She appears to be educated, and not a blithering idiot, unlike the GOP's pick.

You're main message when posting here appears to be: "Harris is not good, she's only liked because she isn't Trump". I'd disagree on first point, and on the second is only partially true. She is liked because she is not Trump, but I would add that I believe that she is also liked because is Kamala Harris.

You are very focused on the unsuitablilty of Harris, I must then ask….how do you feel about Trump?

Nope. A lie is a big claim and you haven't come close to it.

He looked like he was ready until it was apparent he was not and the polls were bleak. Requires no lies.

Your negative claims about the Democrats are getting bigger, and getting further and further from any evidence to back them up.

All the while, when it comes to Republicans it seems to be hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

Their bench is so strong this cycle that they're pulling hundreds of endorsements from the other bench, and not from "RINOs" either, but from some people who have been Republican strategists and officials etc. since the 1980s, back before when Trump was still a Democrat or a Reform Party member.

I feel really good about this election.

In an open letter, first written about on Monday by USA Today, 238 people who worked for former President George H.W. Bush, former President George W. Bush, former Arizona Sen. John McCain and Utah Sen. Mitt Romney call on their fellow “moderate Republicans and conservative independents” to join them in backing Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, over Trump and his vice presidential pick, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio.

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-republican-endorsements-1371966c9be8ac4e0e6b3e1e126edbc9

The debate with Biden was 27th June. She was on 16.8% net unfavourable. (53.6% unfavourable and 36.8% favourable)

She was nominated to be the candidate on Aug 5th. By that time her net unfavourability dropped to 5.9% (48.7 Unfavourable and 42.8% favourable)

You're correct* in that around the times of the debates, she was unfavourable, but look at how much she has grown that since and in such a short amount of time. It shows that the more people are aware of her, the greater her favourability is.

She is currently on 1.9% unfavourable (47.6% unfavourable and 45.6% favourable) that trend is only going one way.

The fact is, she's quite a likeable, relatable person, with a good, strong teammate in Walz.

*Just for the lulz… On 27th June, Trump had a net favourability of 11.2%, on Aug 5th that had dropped to 8.5% and it currently sits at… 9.7%.

We never hear how highly unpopular Trump is, do we?

Interesting factoid: George HW Bush is the only sitting VP to be elected POTUS since 1836. I'd forgotten Nixon was sitting VP when he lost to JFK, Hubert Humphrey was beaten badly in 1968, Gore barely lost to Bush II, …

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-incumbent-vice-president-election-defc726ac5a8db8ef0ba9a756fd8eec5

"If I am being honest" ???

I must have missed the bit where you gave an honest appraisal of Trump.
You seem very free in your opinions on Harris.

If you've looked at Trump and you've looked at Harris, and can't tell the difference between them quality wise, that is completely discrediting of any judgments made in your posts about their "qualities".

You seem more bothered by 'hate' for Trump, than the hate that Trump spews.
He is a fascist, a racist, a rapist. He tried to steal the last election.

It is obvious you are just here to defend Trump, and you can't defend Trump, so instead you attack Harris.

We've seen this playbook before and it doesn't get any more convincing.

It helps if you want to maintain the shroud of "no preference"

Find something substantive to say against Harris and I might take your statements a little more seriously. I get it - you don't like her.

So I don't have a preference really

I doubt anyone really is going to buy this, given your posting on the matter already and the efforts you've gone to to throw shade on Harris.

If I am being honest

A lot of folk are going to struggle with this too, frankly.

I've gone out of my way to avoid mentioning the man.

Oh, I'm sure that everyone has noticed that as well.

In a discussion forum, I would have expected a little more balance and less people just repeating the same stuff. It's a little odd that there are so few people mentioning anything negative about one of the candidates.

And now we have the crying, because people "in a discussion forum" are challenging your position.

So, if we're to believe you, you cannot in any way say who you'd prefer to see win in November? There's no way at all that you can pick between one of just two candidates, even if both are flawed? It's just impossible for you to weigh up each candidate and say "well, even though they're not exactly the greatest choice, I have to go with X, because…" You're thoroughly incapable of saying that one of the candidates even slightly edges over the other?

I'll actually go one further, the choice is not just limited to Harris and Trump. It's about which party leads the country. So, that means a choice between a MAGA led Republican Party with project 2025 as its central proposition and the Democrats.

And you cannot, "honestly", make a choice between those two?

It's a variant on the, 'both sides equally bad' refrain, doesn't stick.

That "boost" for the campaign, as viewed by top GOP donors:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/is-trump-trying-to-lose-top-gop-donor-rips-trumps-self-destructive-embrace-of-rfk-jr-and-tulsi-gabbard/

His email to President Trump read,

"Yesterday, the Trump campaign proudly announced that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard endorsed the former President and are being added to his transition team. It is hard to imagine a more self-destructive announcement.

"RFK is an anti-vax kook who sees conspiracies behind every tree and under every bed, and Gabbard is the former vice- chair of the DNC and co-chair of the 2016 Bernie Sanders for President campaign She endorsed Sanders because of his “sound judgment” on foreign policy which she believed would “usher in a new era of peace and prosperity.” Sanders is a self-avowed socialist. He is an isolationist. He hates the America we love and everything it stands for. Yet, Gabbard endorsed him and this is who Trump is embracing. There is something terribly wrong with this picture.

"As a former Haley voter and Reagan Republican, I say to you Mr. Trump, speak to me and my fellow Republicans. Reject the fringes. Fight for the middle. If you do not, you will forever be known from this day forward, as the “Former President.”"

Ouch.

Once again, the playbook

1. Carry out act of being objective
2. Claim "both sides" are as bad as each other
3. Clearly support one candidate without saying it
4. Have a tantrum, blame other posters and act the victim
5. "Quit"

'There was this meme posted up on the "political satire" thread (desperately needs to be retitled. No one has a clue what satire is):'

It's a refuge from this thread for the threadbanned.

Is that lady in the blue dress not giving…. A DEVIL'S SALUTE?!

Holy sh*t, imagine if this was a Democrat. All hell would be breaking loose right now.