Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

You're discussing American politics. How exactly do you expect them to 'represent' you?

So putting yourself in the situation of an American voter:

Why can't a mixed race woman, with a career as a prosecutor and a DA, a law abiding citizen, a democrat (small d)… why can't she 'represent' you?

This thread is fascinating,

Even if your NOT a Trump supporter but question anything about Kamala it seems your automatically chastised or answered with but but Trump is an X ,Y or Z

But yet we are led to believe its the Red side who are part of a cult in seeing no wrong with Donald, (there is plenty wrong with him)

When in actual reality both options are awful & shows exactly why the world is in such a state for so many , ,

Both are awful?

Says a lot you place Trump and Harris on the same level as 'awful'.

Trump is a racist, a rapist, a felon. He tried to steal the last election.

Nope. One option Trump is awful, whose conduct should have put them in prison or at very least disqualified them from ever holding public office again.

The other option Harris, nothing 'awful' about her. Just desperate attempts are finding any fault to make a false both sides equivalence. A microscope is applied to scrutinise her conduct.

If you rank her as awful as a rapist and a racist - that's entirely on you.

And that doesn't require anything remotely 'cult' like, just a rejection of false both sides equivalences.

It is a two horse race. It is not whataboutery mentioning Trump, it is about establishing standards.

In fairness, the 'centerists' here would be happy to criticise Harris on any policy yet be remarkably mute when it comes to levelling the same accusations against trump. If indeed they truly are undecided, they would be happy to use an even hand on both candidates, yet I'm still yet to see that happen here.

For example, many of them would become experts in geriatric medicine when assessing Biden's mental capabilities (also conveniently forgetting about his stammer) yet wouldn't use that expertise in assessing trump's foibles.

Harris' team (or herself) is idiotic in not doing an interview before this evenings scheduled sit down, does that make me a trump supporter, well I think you can look over my posting history to see otherwise

I agree with points 1, 6 and 8. Well said

Problem is, there isn't a lot of "questioning" Harris on this thread - there's a lot of 'facts' being strewn around, which when questioned get snowflakey rants about being persecuted.

There is plenty not to like about some of Harris' policies - personally, I wish they wouldn't increase anything child-related in the tax code, there's no need for more parental support, the public option that's in the platform doesn't solve the fundamental problem of the health insurance companies calling all the shots, immigration games for H1B's in order to suppress tech salaries was something Harris' opponent made noises about and then didn't follow-through on, but is still an idea that should happen… And on, and on.

But we don't have discussions here. "Questioning" is just JAQ'ing around. If you want to discuss something about the candidate's policies, bring it on (and obligatory snark: you can only do that for one of them so far.)

I'm coming at this from an unapologetically leftist position, but I do find myself uneasy at the idea that the Democrats (or Harris) are beyond criticism because the Republicans (or Trump) are worse.

Absolutely nobody has said this however.

There's plenty of sticks to beat the Democrats with. The issue is, though, is someone pretending that Kamala Harris is somehow as bad as a person as Donald Trump is and therefore they couldn't possibly vote for her, with the very real possibility that not doing so would let a man like Donald Trump and the republicans with their Project 2025 manifesto into power.

With that reality on the cards any of the criticisms, valid as they may be, become rather moot.

"Look Mordecai, that guy's healin' the sick for free! He must be some sorta communist or sumin', get yer shotgun!"

They played here the other night apparently.