Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

I don't think what happened in 2020 has any real relevance. Biden did awful in 2008 and came back and won in 2020, and then won a general election.
Plenty of strong candidates who would make a decent stab at President don't win primaries.
It's a different situation trying to stand out in a crowded field, versus a general election. Especially a crowded field of quality candidates who appeal to similar parts of your base.
I think she would have won the primary, repeatedly so on this thread. Whenever a VP had stood in a Democratic primary, they have won. I don't see any of the other candidates being of such clear quality they'd overcome her head start as VP, with the profile that gives with donors and the base. The other candidates mentioned are decent candidates, but not on another level to Harris. Maybe Whitmer but she seemed reluctant to run.

I think given the short media cycles, this has worked out well for the Democrats, avoiding a fractious, expensive primary. Harris coming onto the scene at this point, general voters sit up and take notice, probably more notice than they would to the primaries.

At this stage of the game, I haven't seen anything to suggest she wouldn't make a good \ capable President.
The indications are she is a centrist Democrat, maybe a little more to the left than Biden but nothing to frighten the horses or the markets.
It is not just about her, it is about her administration.
Nothing of major difference to Clinton, Obama, Biden at an administration level.

Define a 'good' President?
She may not 'inspire' people the way that Clinton or Obama did but you don't get candidates like that all the time.
I think she would be a responsible President, actually intent on trying to improve things on the ground for Americans.

Nothing personal but I often don't bother reading links. Perhaps you want to summarise the main points?

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Apparently they’re still going to be “Trump supporters” "

Indeed .You catch on quick.

Ah right bang on time - so this democracy pissing thing- can you please explain to me why someone who votes for someone other than Harris or Trump and exercises their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to do so - is pissing on democracy? No less a Trump supporter
In your own time

It is because Trump has threatened (and can be reasonably expected to) not honour the free transfer of power if he gets in .Vote for Trump in perpetuity (or abstain) and you are choosing to bring about the end of Democracy in America.

So you are pissing on your fellow citizens' right to vote and wiping your arse on their votes

It is a contradiction in democracy that (by inaction) the voters can vote in someone who will bring down the democracy .

It has happened before ,is happening now* and will happen again .

Let us hope Trump and his facilitators + useful idiots do not bring it about in November

*well the normal playbook is to rig the election (once the foot is in the door ) but it can be brought about by a fairly free and fair election as we are about to find out.

It’s still a democracy and freedoms of speech is part and parcel of the constitution - if people are believing this drivel then maybe the education system of America needs an overhaul - but what you’re proposing undermines the American constitution - some people might call that communism - in fact many would have called it just that back in the 50s and early 60s

This Arlington Cemetery fiasco is starting to intensify. Not that it will hurt or bother Trump.
He’s consistently shown huge disrespect to the military over the years yet the principled, pro veteran, America first Trump voter will find a way to excuse him.

Using something like this to rattle Trump will not work if history is any guide. Trump doesn’t care about the military or the bereaved families.

Now if you call the crowds at his rallies small or highlight how Truth Social is a failure? That what’s gonna send him into a tailspin.

Statement from the US army is damning. Not sure it will move the needle. Trump could commit the most heinous act on live tv and still get 70 odd millions votes in November.

Did you miss the part where Trump tried to overturn legitimate election results in 2020?

Had he succeeded you couldnt write "still a democracy".

All the indications are he will try same again, in 2024 and in 2028 if he can.

Is Trump a communist?

What he proposed to do undermined the Constitition. You seem to think that = communism.

You are talking incoherent nonsense.

I feel like it's a question of risking losing the war to win a battle regarding Palestine

To be absolutely clear, I think the US could and should be doing a lot more to reign in Israel. Threatening to withhold security assistance for example would go a long way without actually having to do anything

For US Democrats who support a ceasefire in Palestine, it's a choice between a candidate they can have some leverage over (Harris) and a candidate who has made it clear they are 100% behind Israel no matter what they do (Trump)

So it's a balancing act between ensuring their concerns are heard and not overly alienating the voter base. They don't want to repeat 2016 with Bernie Sanders supporters refusing to vote for Hilary Clinton

For Harris it's a balancing act between appeasing both the pro Palestine and pro Israel camps of her party. I doubt we'll see any kind of commitment to change policy before the election because to do so risks alienating one of those camps

So it comes down to some simple arithmetic. If you want a ceasefire that's anything other than a complete destruction of Gaza, then you either have a 0% chance with Trump or a higher than 0% chance with Harris

Did he try? Yes he did.

That he was thwarted last time is no guarantee of what will happen next time.

You posted ramblings about communism, so incoherent you cant even bring yourself to try to defend it when challenged.

Its not paranoia when they are out to get you.

In this case Trump has already shown he will try to subvert democracy and steal election. He is not a democrat.

Trump hasnt moved on. The leopard hasnt changed its spots. Next time there wont be the likes of Pence to do their duty by the Constitution.

There' the reason 40 out of 44 of his administration wont endorse him this time. They were the ones who last time round tried to restrain his conduct and abuse of office.

Pretending like he didnt try to do that, memory holing it, would not be an act of "rational thought" (your phrasing).

Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequences, otherwise trump has a lock tight defence in his Georgia case. Give over with that myopic sh!te

Vance got a scab’s reception at the IAFF

https://www.mediaite.com/news/jd-vance-acknowledges-some-haters-as-hes-booed-at-firefighters-union-conference/