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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    No, we absolutely DON'T agree that we should move to State owned accommodation!! Unless it is a series of detention centres like Villawood in Australia, or those near airports in the UK. Please stop telling people what they think ok ?

    If we have to invest any more money into this debacle it needs to be spent on:

    Prevention of illegal entry where possible and if this means talking to the neighbours to help with the "border" then so be it;

    Adding extra staff to the process so it doesn't take 13 months for a case to be heard - and NO ONE who comes in without documentation should be allowed into the country proper until they have been investigated and we know who they are. I have to show my passport every time I board a flight and it is scanned at the airport - if you don't have it when you land we know you have given it to an organised trafficker to reuse. So we need technology to scan a passport at every entry point - the EU has the money, we just need the balls to ask them.

    Making sure those who should be kicked out are sent packing as soon as possible, if this means detaining them for as long as it takes to charter a flight or series of flights again so be it.

    I'm tried of hearing "they're just here for a better life". Great, apply for a work visa and do it right. If you don't qualify then don't come. Other hits that keep coming - "fleeing war and persecution! - no the majority are not; "international obligations" - we don't have any save taking a certain number direct from refugee camps in Syria etc and those from Ukraine - which we have done.

    It's an NGO led scam and whilst O'Moron and his idiotic supporters go back to their posh Killiney gaffs, they people they lied to to encourage them to come here sleep on the streets when they should be assessed promptly, no appeal after appeal and sent back - Geldof may have espoused "feed the world" 40 years ago; I doubt he meant that should include all inclusive facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    What is unrealistic is your weird belief that you can bring unlimited numbers in, without the ability to remove those who should not be here.

    What is even worse is your inability to see the issue with this. And almost on queue play the old racism card, much easier to deflect and shut down criticism than back up your nonsense.

    Why should there not be focus on it? The country and tax payer is being taken for a ride.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    I don't WANT to complain about living in tents. I HAVE to.

    I find it completely unacceptable. If someone comes into the country without the documentation and proof of how they got here, they should either be arrested or deported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Nobody's being brought in. People are arriving of their own volition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭twinytwo




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    It is truly terrifying that you actually believe that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    I don't think that it's a class issue.

    The media, the government and virtue signalling idiots have people believing that only the far right have an issue with the current illegal immigrant/bogus asylum seeking situation.

    Anyone protesting the shambles happening at the moment is being labelled as Far-Right.

    I know people who would love to protest but a clip of them on the news or a picture in the paper would be enough to have them identified and branded as a racist Far Right xenophobe (as you can see from the poster a few above) which would have serious employment and person implications.

    It's a very sneaky and well thought out method of quelling the discontent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    There seems to be quite a disconnect between how you think things should work, and how they actually do.

    It might help to take some time to learn about how things actually work, and consider why the systems we have evolved as they did?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I've tried to understand how you guys see things, maybe you can explain to me?

    It's seems Rodric O'Gorman is some kind of evil mastermind, in cahoots with the hoteliers and ngos, and with control over the MSM, academia, and several arms of government.

    But I'm also led to believe there's some kind of deep-state conspiracy across the EU?

    It would help greatly if you guys could explain your beliefs a bit more thoroughly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    No. There is no disconnect.

    I know how I would like things to work. It isn't happening at the moment. Which is why I am talking about it.

    And as for how it ACTUALLY works? Thats the whole point. The point is that, at the moment, it DOESNT WORK. Rural towns overwhelmed. Mini shanty towns with tents strewn across the city. Hotels full of undocumented immigrants. Millions upon millions of tax payers money being doled out to support them. It's not working.

    And please, if you choose to respond to me, please try not to be so patronising.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    They cannot be deported if they claim asylum, that would be against the law.

    They can be arrested, and then they can claim asylum.

    So, they claim asylum either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    Arrest them. Let them claim asylum. But do not let them into the general public until it has been proven beyond doubt and established exactly who they are, where they came from and that their case is genuine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    So your answer to all this is to start putting people in prison and deporting them.

    Are you aware how difficult it is to deport people? What's your solution for overcoming this?

    And where are these prisons? What do you expect the cost to be of imprisoning all these people? What will you do with families and children?

    And how do you propose dealing with the international aspect of all of this? If harsher measures here push people towards other EU countries, how do we deal with the consequences of that, or do you not think this would happen?

    You've complained about being patronised so please provide some detailed realistic answers, and not the same old simplistic sloganeering we've heard again and again from anti-immigration posters on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Asylum seekers must provide identification during their application even if they don't produce it on arrival into the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,613 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    "So please provide some detailed realistic answers"

    Seriously? The irony of this is obviously lost on you again.😂

    Your day looks to be getting better, seems your band is back together again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭combat14


    something serious up in europe if germany stepping up its border controls

    Germany steps up controls at borders in response to ‘irregular migration’

    New regulations come into force next week following spate of suspected Islamist attacks (The Guardian UK)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭engineerws


    I haven't heard of anyone swimming across the Irish sea yet.

    I'm guessing most are being brought in by boat, plane or automobile or are you suggesting they are flying the planes etc themselves?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    As I understand the process, anyone without ID entering the state has their biometric data taken and is issued a new id.

    AGS can run biometric data against several databases and refuse entry if the person is deemed to be a risk to the state.

    In practice I'm not sure how often AGS intervene like this, I believe they're very under resourced at the moment, especially with the arson, violence, public order stemming from the anti-immigration movement in recent times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Then their application continues without. I'm sure you can appreciate that genuine cases of persons fleeing persecution may come from countries where it is impossible to get documents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    Lol.

    So they need to supply ID to apply for asylum. It's a requirement.

    (and if they don't have one, we will supply them with one)

    Perfect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭Nermal


    It's a matter of incentives. Make it more unpleasant to stay here than it is to leave, and people will deport themselves.

    The consequences of that are a matter for the countries they end up in, not for us.

    The problem is that the realistic answers require a hard-headed nationalist selfishness. That's a value you can't reconcile yourself to, so you present the task as impossible when it isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It would be illegal to refuse somebody's ability to seek asylum on the grounds of not having documentation, though it can be factored in any decision around granting refugee status.

    That's the system we're part of, and have been for a very long time.

    Still waiting to hear your alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    So when you said

    "Asylum seekers must provide identification during their application even if they don't produce it on arrival into the state"

    that was untrue?

    Why did you say it then?

    The word "must" doesn't seem to mean anything then. It'd be more like "Asylum seekers HOPEFULLY will provide identification"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The alternatives involve changing what's illegal and what's not, MegamanBoo. That should be obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭Yvonne007


    Building a detention centre, diverting more resources towards clearing the backlog of application processing, and not allowing people to enter the general population until their application has been approved. In the cases where we can't verify who these people are, they are deported. How do other countries with secure borders do it? What are germany proposing? What do Australia do?

    I can't see how it would cost any more than what is going on now.

    It's not perfect and I am spitballing but it's a lot better than just sitting back and letting what is happening happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If you genuinely had to run for your life with just the clothes on your back then it's not Ireland you're rocking up too.

    If we take the poor people of Sudan getting pulled out of their huts and shot dead in the street like dogs because of religious persecution.

    They're not gonna rock up to Ireland. Because they're stopping in the first country they hit if they manage to out run the crazy militia men with AKs chasing them.

    Do you see the difference between that amd the AS arriving here?

    Are you honestly going to belittle what the true version of fleeing is by comparing it to what is arriving to the furthest most point of north west Europe?



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