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Executive Officer 2024 Competition (Nationwide)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Mytimetoshine22


    Hi i ticked the irish stream



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Missy95


    I’m an EO but was just offered the AO job. Can anyone tell me the difference between both jobs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 M1ntyPyth0n


    AO is paid slightly more and the increments go up faster over the years, I would take it on that basis alone.

    In some departments you are working on complex policy work and other projects and might not have any staff under you, in others you may be doing all the same work as HEO with a load of direct reports under you. It depends where you're placed.

    PublicJobs .ie have role profiles for EO and AO, and some videos of people talking about their work. Information or booklets will also be available on the AO threads on this website.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Larryduff2018


    Anyone have an idea when EO campaign 2024 test results are out



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Missy95


    Thanks very much. So do you think there would be a lot more work in the AO role?

    Is it a much higher volume of work?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In many places it's doing a HEO's job for an EO's pay (well, until you move up the scale a few points)

    It was supposed to be a specialist role for graduates but many HR depts totally abuse it now to get yellow pack HEOs with little prospect of career advancement.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Missy95


    Thanks for letting me know. Thats very concerning that they’re using them as HEO’s. I’m already on EO money so nothing to gain financially.



  • Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭crinkley


    if you’re interested in policy then go for it, there’s is a distinct difference between AO and HEO one is operations the other is policy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭MaryKaye79


    in my department AOs and HEOs do the same job, manage a team - only difference is HEOs are paid more
    think the AOs eventually catch up pay wise

    think carefully and try to find out where you will be going/what you will be doing before signing on the dotted line, then you can make an informed decision, not always possible with these competitions though


    good luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That was the case decades ago but for 20+ years now the situation is as I describe above. I was one, an AO stuck in a dead end job, thankfully I was also on a HEO panel and got out after a few months.

    That was in 2001!

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭crinkley


    obviously depends on departments so, my unit wanted a heo and was told no because the job description was more akin to AO. The AOs are on the technical side and HEOs on the general looking after admin and finance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Mytimetoshine22


    Id say the 6th September l



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Depends on areas within departments too, you will have AOs working on policy but others filling what to all intents and purposes are HEO roles. My old role was replacing a HEO and the head of HR freely admitted to me that they were filling such vacancies with AOs where possible to save on payroll. I was never so glad to get out of a place, the building was falling down around us too and this was the HQ! Since demolished

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭apkmbarry


    AO is essentially HEO, but instead of taking the massive jump in pay at the start, it's averaged out over the years but ends at the same amount as HEO.

    What do you mean you don't have anything to gain? Of course you do!



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Missy95


    I think I’m just nervous of accepting the AO because I’m only an EO for the last year and kinda intimidated by the huge jump in responsibility and not sure if I’d prefer to stay as an EO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭pygmaliondreams


    Ah you should absolutely take it, you got an offer because you're well able for it. I'm fairly sure you can request to be demoted if you do take the job and it isn't a level of responsibility you're capable of? At least if you've finished EO probation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Don't let my comments put you off totally but do talk to the department offering the role before you accept, it's not necessarily a huge jump in responsibility, find out if it's a policy role or what would traditionally be a HEO role, what staff you will manage if any, then think about whether it's what you want.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Missy95


    That’s great to know thanks. I have finished EO probation so that’s great that demotion is an option.



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Missy95


    I appreciate your comments @Hotblack Desiato. Very good idea to find out from the department offering what’s involved. I’m ok with policy but not so much a HEO role. I’ve 2 staff under me now which is ok.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 PandaDancer


    Irish Prison Service is taking applications now. Starting prison officers it says is €35k and there are allowances. Might be of interest to someone here



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