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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭alentejo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    On road links crossing the river to the West, probably not at all feasible but there's access for service vehicles off Porterstown Road (and a service vehicle depot?). Could this possibly be remodelled to allow public transport access (barrier controls at Porterstown Rd), thus linking the N4/Liffey Valley to Coolimine, Blanch and beyond? I've no idea what engineering works this would require!!

    Back on topic, the bus gates were being very well observed today. I crossed O'Connell Bridge a couple of times and cycled down Aston Quay from Westmoreland St on the way home. No cars broke the rules that I saw.

    An unfortunate downside of the bus gate is that taxis on Aston Quay now move very fast. Not nice when you're navigating the cratered road on a bike!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Forget it. You will not get free flowing buses to the M50 via porterstown road. By microscopy mindlessly linking all these roads together it's become a rat run with way too much traffic for the size of the road. Theres even a petition due to the accidents. In terms of public transport. It's turned into gridlock at both ends due to the poor planning.

    https://www.change.org/p/install-traffic-calming-on-porterstown-road

    And it will get worse with major apartments complexes being built nearby, coolmine bridge closing, porterstown bridge closing and clonsilla bridge, Kellystown being built.

    All this traffic has no where to go and a lot of it will come down Dr Troy bridge and also porterstown road.

    If this route is something you're hoping to use a lot in the future I'd rethink your plans.

    The solution was/is rail metro west. Roads are just not too be able deal with what's coming.

    The bus gates are a realisation of that future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,757 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    What would the issue be with enforcement? Many years ago, I was in a queue of traffic in North City Dublin approaching a major, light-controlled junction, planning to turn left at it. Being the impatient youngster that I was, at 500m back from the junction, I took a left into a housing estate, followed by a right and left to skip the traffic. Immediately before I reached the main road I was aiming for, I was pulled over by a Garda and informed I would be receiving a fine and a penalty point for making an illegal turn - entering the housing estate was (quite reasonably) banned at peak times except for access to prevent it being used as a rat run.

    There is no legal impediment to enforcement. Whether there's the political will to actually do the enforcement is an entirely different question.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    They should really extend the central footpath median from O'Connell Street towards O'Connell bridge so that the pedestrian crossing distance is reduced and it limits the opportunity for cars turning back into the bus lane to continue straight. Below is really how it should be at the moment:

    And ideally in the permanent case it would look like this:

    It's likely the two-way cycle scheme is intended to turn onto O'Connell Bridge instead of straight to Eden Quay, but you get the idea. Think of all the extra footpath space. You could have outdoor seating, landscaping, reducing crossing times etc. I don't see any (logical) reason for this not to happen.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭alentejo


    My issue with this design while well meaning and in an ideal world would be great, however a single bus traffic lane with the sheer amount of buses which will use this corridor is not suited to bus operations. (eg a bus breaks down)

    Dublin ultimately needs some kind of metro or extensive light rail solution to realise designs like the one. Even if you took all cars out of the centre of Dublin city, there are still huge bus volumes which require to transverse streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,815 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Yes we are making that distinction.

    How as a delivery driver do you not know the country is already full of pedestrian streets that allow deliveries ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭Daith


    The original plan for Bachelor's Walk was to extend the pedestrian area because cars were meant to turn left onto Jervis.

    Now they have this kludge because nothing much changed on Bachelor's Walk and it's only 7-7 but their need for traffic cones on the bridge shows, it does need some form of traffic management



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    The chances of a bus breaking down exactly at this junction is very slim. It would only be a single lane for a short distance either side of the junction. Beyond that you have plenty of bus stop locations, almost a continuous lane in fact.

    The current quay width varies, but west of Bachelors walk it's between 10m and 11m wide. Create a 3.5m wide two-way cycle track, 4m wide bus lane and then a 3m wide bus stop "lane". That gives you 10.5m.

    You don't need a metro for this to work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,711 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Not much bulk going into or out of gpo now, but they can have the same access arrangements of available in all similar locations



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,711 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    A bus, bike and ped bridge between LV and disswelstown road would really improve the M50 situation. The M50 is choked with people in cars doing short trips, the views from the bridge would make it a mm attraction also



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