Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

The secret “No Trump” voter is something I wonder about. Given the cultish fervour that many in MAGA appear to have, I can easily imagine family or community members amongst such people wanting keeping their distain for Trump quiet whenever the topic comes up. Sort of like an atheist growing up among extreme Evangelicals in the Deep South; they might give the church lip service, and then act differently once they have the opportunity.

So when people are polled about their voting preference, I sort of imagine that this isn’t done in the form of a closed anonymous vote like in the actual election. I imagine that your answer to the pollster is heard by others, potentially people in your own family or community. So these secret No Trump voters might tell the pollster that they’ll vote Trump for the sake of peace in their home life, but once they get to the privacy of the voting booth they might put an X beside Harris instead.

Fortunately I think there will be more Republicans and Independents that have been put off by Trump. Bernie supporters turned to him before as a '**** you' to the DNC after the delegate/primary fracas in 2016, and Republicans would have voted for an inanimate carbon rod over Hillary Clinton, but now you have a fairly staunchly united Democratic Party and they have the support of the likes of never trumper republicans, your Cheneys and your Kinzingers, and probably a lot of older neocons that the Tea Party once ostracized from their own party as RINOs and turned it into the mess it is now.

The only glaring exception to this is supporters against what is happening in Palestine, which of course is a complete mess, even if Trump would be worse, a lot of these voters might stay home, and still a lot of them might, rather recklessly IMHO, vote for him out of spite, and cut their own noses off. The one real hope in this election is that Women voters are really getting out there, and most women voters are single issue voters, without any guesses required as to what.

Meh….. it's not like the Supreme Court is full of his appointees or people whose partners led part of the Stop the Steal narrative in 2020…..

In the pre-maga era, a presidential candidate doing a thumbs up at Arlington would have immediately sunk their campaign. Shows how far the GOP has fallen. I wonder can the party of McCain and Mitt Romney be salvaged. If Trump loses, the direction the party goes in will be telling. I wonder is it possible that the the MAGA wing will split and form its own party and the GOP will revert to traditional conservatism.

In order to get American politics back on an even keel, American society would have to do some serious soul searching and reconfiguration of its power structures, and I have seen little to no indication that the country is willing to undertake this kind of hard work. Would they even know where to begin?

Don Jr liked Vance. That appeared to be the deciding, and possibly only, factor.

I feel the same. Unfortunately finding another planet is not feasible right now.

Obviously Thiel giving Trump a lot of money for him and the sons liking him was massive.

However the electoral gamble from Trumpworld is he may appeal to white working class type voters in the swing states who probably lean right and obviously the base love him.

It does seem like its backfired but that's on Trump, he could have picked Rubio and this election would have been done but neither wanted to deal with the hassle of picking 2 from the same state and the sons thought the other contender Burgum was a nobody.

Hard to tell it it backfired as ,imo the main thing was the exit of Biden from the race (hiding other factors although Kamala has indeed excelled so far).

I thought Vance's advantage was that he could string sentences together (lie better and more logically than Trump)

A balanced ticket in that regard.

If Biden can secure some kind of a cease fire in Gaza ,maybe that will pull a swing state or two?

To Amanda Stu…as quoting not working for some reason.

Fair but all we can do go by is approval numbers and JD's are awful especially compared to Waltz.

Vance is highly intelligent but their is so much "edge lord" stuff he has said over the years which has obviously came back to haunt him.

Musk is definitely dangerous. He is the stereotypical evil billionaire from a James Bond movie at this point.

When I was a kid I was a big fan of Thunderbirds. For those not in the know, around the year 2060, former astronaut turned Aerospace Billionaire Jeff Tracey "retires" to an island in the pacific, but secretly sets up International Rescue. Using unique, high powered machines, he helps the world along with his 5 sons. Musk could have gone down that route, but seemingly helping people for free is not enough of an ego boost for him,so he wants to interfere in elections instead.