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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭jackboy


    They are probably just bottling it as they know the massive media attention that will be on that. It would have helped somewhat if they got that appeal done long ago.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It is inconceivable that they didn’t schedule the appeal whilst he was at liberty, and the school was out of term. Maybe there is a good reason, but it’s hard to understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭jackboy




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There can be no chickening out, short of him resigning (no chance), they need to proceed with the appeal. If they don’t and terminate his employment, denying him an appeal hearing, they better be prepared for a WRC ruling which may award him two years salary for wrongful dismissal (on procedural grounds) and in his view, vindication. That would surely be unpalatable to everyone, even Burke, who would no doubt prefer reinstatement.

    I know some of the more hard core posters think the appeal is non consequential, but at the least it would stop the payment of wages, the payment of which seems repugnant to most. And, it removes the foundation of his argument for continuing to attend WH, that he is still in paid employment at his place of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Just use slightly different wording: Mrs Burke, with home detention we guarantee you that Enoch will be allowed stay with you at your home and won't have to go stay in Mountjoy prison with all those convicted murderers, drug pushers, violent house breakers and people of no religion, where his health and religious faith would be at risk. What's more, you, your husband and children can provide him with all the love and care you desire, guaranteed and cross me heart. What mother could refuse such an offer?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,833 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    And, as already explained in detail he will not sign on anywhere. Letterkenny, Letterfrack, Letterothertownname, it doesn’t matter, he will ignore any order. He has proven that already. Why let him loose to continue to hang around?

    Send him to Mountjoy, Portlaoise, Cloverhill, somewhere with big walls and metal bars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭BK5


    Do they put ankle GPS trackers on people in Ireland? If they do it might be a way to have him under house arrest.

    As said earlier though him and his family really do believe the laws of this country really do not apply to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Because it would be a scandalous waste of a prison space when dangerous criminals with multiple convictions are roaming the streets.

    Its difficult to resolve this issue with him but the greater good is not served with locking him up ahead of a dangerous criminal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,833 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    The only way to stop him is to confine him. The only place to confine him is a prison.

    Or an island off the coast with only state controlled access. Maybe reopen Spike Island?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    It's a crap situation, but if he won't stay away from the school then the only solution appears to be putting him in prison. The welfare of the school's pupils and staff needs to be looked after, meaning he can't be hanging around with impunity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    As we cannot have him in two places at once, use the 'Joy's facilities to hold the sacking case hearings there while he's there. Unless there is something in Irish law that prevents the board hearing his sacking case from hearing the case outside its own state facilities and at another state facility, there should be no legal reason why the 'Joy, a state facility with conference room facilities, could not be used for the hearing of his sacking case.

    At the moments when he is in custody there, the state is able to provide him and the High Court in the 4 courts building some 2 miles away with audio/visual contact means when it comes to the judges there conversing with him during his contempt hearings. Using the 'Joy for the sacking case hearing would mean no such A/V gear would be required, just the standard recording equipment used at the boards state premises, which should be a doddle.

    If he were to lose his case against his sacking from WHS, the news could then be passed to the Courts Service offices at the 4 Courts for AO the High Court judges likely to be hearing his contempt hearings and arrangements made with the Courts Service to high-speed his next appearance with the court there to see if he may have had a change of heart about obeying the court's orders.



  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Ribs1234


    He is in contempt of court. He has failed to purge his contempt. As long as this is the case, he is not free to use the courts for other matters - the law is old and messy on this (I agree that if imprisonment isn’t working, other methods should be used).

    If he wants to use the courts for other means, he just needs to purge his contempt (I.e undertake to stay away from the school), then he can challenge everything he wants. Simple



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    The guy is disturbed, no doubt about it, to do what he's doing is just madness, he's already spent over 400 days in jail and I'm in no doubt that he'd be willing to do another 400 over this, fanatics love a cause and now the Burkes have one with plenty of publicity to go with it and they're reveling in it, poor Enoch has been trained and conditioned his whole life for moments like this.

    He isn't going to go away anytime soon, only thing that will stop him is jail, the whole situation is just absurd at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Eoineo


    Sigh. Your opinion, his opinion….

    He was suspended for abusive/disrespectful behaviour towards his boss. During his suspension and pending a hearing he was asked not to attend work. He ignored this request and has been engaging in disruptive behaviour at his place of work since.

    His opinion has informed his behaviour but not excused it. Everybody has a right to be treated with respect, whether at work or in an educational setting. It’s possible to hold an opinion and express it without being abusive or disrespectful. He has done neither.

    This is a case of an individual who has been abusive, was challenged, and continues to abusive their workplace, colleagues and students. Let’s face it, if they really cared about student welfare they wouldn’t be carrying on like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭drury..


    Fact checks:

    "At every opportunity he tries to and is sometimes successful at entering the school grounds and buildings themselves"

    And what is the specific breach of child safety ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭drury..


    This is a concern imo

    If a serious incident occurs we'd be asking how the hell this was allowed to happen

    I don't know enough to speak on the legal side of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    An uninvited adult is in a school premises with children. Regardless of his intentions or his history with the school, that's a child safety issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    anyone else but weird religious zealot continually going into building full of children when they have been told by a judge to not go near the place let alone inside would be dealt with but somehow this seems to be getting olay with some because he isn’t a risk as we know why he’s doing it.
    even if you don’t believe in transgenderism you would still think maybe I won’t make life worse for a confused teenager. He doesn’t care about the child or the kids in the school he cares about pushing his own agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭drury..


    No concern for the child or the children

    No awareness or care for the child at the centre of this controversy

    Everyone in school will know the identity. Selfish and horrible to do this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,151 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    At times I feel sorry for him , he is brainwashed , conditioned , trained and has no independent thought . He and his siblings all walk like trained zombies . Hands by their sides , bowed forward at an angle and a blank look in the eyes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,393 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Are you talking about Burke's behaviour towards the child there? The child asked for one thing to be done and Burke is the only one at the school who refused the child's request.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭drury..


    Im talking about the stress this child is presumably dealing with

    The notoriety of being at the centre of this Burke manufactured sh1tstorm

    Not to mention the effect on the school overall



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It may have been lost in all that has happened since, but the child’s parent confirmed that the child did not request that one thing you referred to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Re the use of gender neutral pronouns, the student attended a meeting with one of their parents, their Year Head and another member of staff where they made the request to be referred to by a different name. The then Principal Niamh McShane also attended briefly.

    During the course of the meeting the student was asked if they wanted to use gender neutral pronouns, and they agreed they did. It states that in the article linked.

    So while technically it is correct that they did not make the request for gender neutral pronouns, they did agree to being referred to with them.

    As it turns out, the parent's fears were unfounded. The student's identity has never been revealed, and while locals may know who they are, it has never been released in the public media - which is to the credit of the staff, student body, and other parents of WHS and the people of Multyfarnham.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Eoineo


    It really doesn’t make any difference.
    A teacher blew his stack at superior. He got sanctioned for bad behaviour. He refuses to accept sanctions.
    Now we have the consequences.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree, I was replying to the assertion that the child made a request.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Burke tried to make a big song and dance about this at the time. Tried to claim the now Principal Frank Milling was lying in the affidavits etc.

    It didn't work.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you are referring to Burkes behaviour toward the Principal, that would appear beyond dispute (subject to appeal) but if you are referring to the child’s request to be referred to as they/them, the parent’s words must be given some credence, unless you think you know more than them about their child.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,447 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I wonder would mammy spend any time in prison? would love to see her in prison for a few months or years.



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