F1 2024 - Round 16 - Italy- Monza

Norris not in the mood to talk.

Incredible scenes

I'll never get sick of seeing Ferrari winning in Italy

On the upside, Magnussen banned for next race as he achieved more than 12 penalty points

You don't get that at any other race, hearing them sing the national anthem was something else

There are superstar concerts with less

Me too.

the only one costing Norris the championship is himself…

A Ferrari win in Italy is always special. This was extra special as it really wasn’t on until the last 10 or so laps.

Incredible drive from Leclerc, mega mega stuff.

McLaren will be kicking themselves (again) I suspect. They are not taking full advantage of their pace.

Fact of the matter is, if Lando is forced to beat Oscar, he won't catch Max and it could give Red Bull an undeserved Constructors championship.

Piastri was the better driver. Had the pace, got the early overtake done.

Norris needs to make the case that he needs to be the number 1 driver and get the help he wants, but he hasn't yet.

Realistically the drivers championship isn't on the line this year, and if you start screwing Oscar now it'll hurt for next year. If the gap was much smaller then it'd be a different conversation.

While it's only an outside chance, Max and RB dont look great right now. One DNF with a race win and it's very much on.

Crazy from McClaren to not swap them. Every point counts and until Max pulls away more, you've got to try everything to reel him in. Massive comebacks happen every now and then but not if you're throwing points away.

Fantastic from Piastri. Saw his chance and took it. Poor from Norris. You have to defend even against your teammate.

I disagree it hurts Piastri for next year. It very clearly tells him, get in front and we will back you for a championship if it comes down to it between you and somebody else.

I am thinking that McLaren are not interested in getting Oscar to sacrifice his well earned lead just to give those better points to Lando. If I was Oscar, I'd only be interested in getting the best finish to the season as possible. Currently 4th in the Championship and could definitely go 3rd the way McLaren's form has been. And if Lando had a dodgy race and Oscar continually places higher in the races left, Oscar could potentially catch Lando (diff. -44). Also Lando is 62 points behind Max so is a bigger feat in a sense.

Max 303

Lando 241

Charles 217

Oscar 197

I suspect McLaren are increasingly realising that Oscar is the future of the team, and Lando's behaviour at Hungary has left him in a more difficult sport where he lost a lot of the team's trust in him. The championship for its part is still a very long shot so it may be sensible not to rock the boat and create further tensions by intervening and stopping the faster driver on the day from coming out in front. They can't just calculate how many points they take today, but how many points they might potentially throw away in future races by creating a toxic culture within the team.

Norris has really tarnished his reputation this year though. I personally always highly rated him but he's had the best car for the majority of the season and yet he's nowhere near Max in the championship who has had to manage with a much slower car for most races. A day like today really highlights the difference. Lando had the best car and should have won comfortably, but he got caught sleeping and ended up down in third. Red Bull had the slowest car by far of the top teams, but Max still finished ahead of a Mercedes to get the maximum possible points, losing only 8 points to Norris in total.

When you reverse those roles, I'm not sure there's been a single race in the last four years when Max has had the fastest car and hasn't won barring reliability, he's won many with the second fastest car too. And if he's got the fastest car and McLaren is slowest of the top teams, that's a race where Max gets 25 points and Lando probably gets 6 or 4 - something like a 20 points gain versus the 8 points Lando gained. I know that's a wild hypothetical, but it's what's been happening throughout the season prior to now and it's the reason why Max still has such a commanding lead with a car that ought not to be up there.

There was 9s between Norris and Sainz. If team orders were given, all he had to do was slow down with a lap to go as the win wasn't possible anymore.

I don't think anyone is suggesting he let Norris through earlier.

It's nuts what they are doing.

There Is no excuse for it. If I was Norris i would be furious. Norris has a good chance of the title, Piastri does not. Its a no brainer. If the cars are running together and norris is behind, you swap. No loss to constructors points, but a big increase in drivers chances.

Allowing Piastri to challenge him and messing up the whole race is really not good enough. It cost them points and shouldn't have happened.

It boggles the mind.

I don't blame Oscar at all but I think Lando has a right to be annoyed with the team.

7 points lost to Piastri in Hungary and a possible 10 taken off him. Its adding up.

I'm watching f1 since 1993 and I cannot remember such a silly stance by any team when in mclarens position, specially such a big team who have been at the back for so long. They are basically saying they don't give a f##k about getting their driver a championship.

Sure swapping Norris and Piastri and the end gives the team the same points.

I've no issue with Piastri being allowed to race but it's silly to not swap them when he couldn't catch LeClerc.

It would have cost them nothing in the constructors.

Yesterday won’t have cost Norris the title. He would have cost it himself

No, the argument was if he wasn't going to pass LeClerc for the lead, to let Norris past on the last lap to give him second.

I can understand not asking Oscar to give up a win (though i'd probably still argue it), but giving up second is a very different ask.

If the situation was Perez in secone with Verstappen in 3rd, any basically any position with Verstappen the car behind Perez yesterday, I reckon RB would have asked Perez to let Max through, to maximise the points of their title contender.

Unrelated to the McLaren conversation, and maybe one specifically for @Jordan 199 - but that Alpine is looking much bluer now than I remember, they must have gotten to the bottom of the weight issues if they can afford paint now.

Lando's race engineer is failing him. McLaren should focus on winning both Championships this season. It seems at the moment they are mainly focusing only on WCC.

I don't believe Webber will let Piastri be a number 2, he has the potential to be a world champion. I don't agree with team orders especially if a driver is still mathematically able to win it. If Lando can't put himself in the position to win races without his teammate moving aside then that's on him. If Mclaren don't give Piastri a fair shot then they'll lose him