Oasis Reunion. Its finally happening😱

So any supplier selling a finite quantity and manipulating buyers in the process svd finally using high pressure tactics to push someone into an inflated price purchase is grave, it’s the buyers fault? Right.

how long were you queuing before you secured tickets at those prices?

Vip route is different. You have get extras. The in demand is the exact same standing ticket that was available in the pre sale and start of general release but jumped part of the way through to a higher price

But according to some here this explains dynamic pricing clearly:

Other supporting arguments include:

• no-one made them buy
• theyre just a sap for not knowing others were getting the same tickets cheaper

This dynamic pricing for concert tickets really is a gross practice.

I bought 2 tickets to Bangkok in January with Etihad. €790 each. When I got to the payment screen that is what it was.

Dynamic pricing = dishonest.

It’s a sure sign of a weak argument and a poor debater when you have to invent strawman arguments against a point I didn’t make.

nobody “manipulated” anyone. What are the “high pressure tactics”? It’s a fncking website like, it’s not like Ticketmaster are hounding you to buy. Buy it, don’t buy it, there’s no as shortage of people who will. What would you propose, give people as much time as they want to mull it over while half a million others are in the queue?

“Inflated” price is a matter of perspective. Different things are worth different prices to different people.

I’m not happy with this development btw, I would rather the old model of fixed amount at fixed prices but some of the reaction is beyond hysterical.

Again, when a person got out of the queue they were presented with the options available and prices associated with each. Just like you did for your flight. There may or may not have been a few different options - the options were clearly priced. If they selected an option the next scree (the payment screen) contained the price of the option they selected. Nothing different to your flights.

Not a fan of dynamic pricing (I doubt any consumer is unless it might work in their favour? - does it ever?)

It's not legalised touting. Ticketmaster have not bought those tickets and resold them at a higher price. They are just being sold from the point of purchase at a higher price. Whilst Ticketmaster will get more money by virtue of the ticket being sold at a higher price, so will the artist. Touting is where I buy a ticket and resell it. But if they don't sell those tickets, nobody gets paid.

I don't see an issue with your suggestion but I don't think that it will accomplish a huge amount in the grander scheme. People will still stay in the queue 'just in case' or to see what exactly the dynamic pricing is (because if its €40 more they might be fine with it vs €400 more). But you're right, TM usually post pop-up updates throughout the queue about availability so yeah, they could easily add that.

Dynamic pricing essentially means that prices increase as time elapses.

"You don't have to buy anything, it's a choice" is an argument that misses the point.

If your local supermarket charged more for groceries as the day went on you'd be rightly annoyed by it.

Demand wasn't exactly unexpected for Oasis tickets, so for prices to increase for being "in demand" is a nonsense position.

At what point does "in demand" become the standard? When 50% of tickets are sold? All tickets were going to be sold anyway, a good number of customers were penalised for falling foul of the randomised nature of online queueing.

It's the wild west out there with ticket sales currently, monopolies should never be tolerated in any sector, there's a reasonable argument to be made about this issue that goes beyond peoples noses being out of joint.

I had flagged ticketmaster’s behaviour after ACDC tickets went on sale this year with 5 local td’s. I got two separate responses from Simon Coveney’s office basically saying, we know it happens, they have the autonomy to apply dynamic pricing to a handful of concerts per year and there’s f**k all you can do about it. Miceal Martin calling for a review is paying lip service and nothing more.

Supply and demand is not the issue here.

The total amount of tickets was known in advance. And the demand was known in advance. So this dynamic model is just a Gallagher money grab.

They had the power to allow dynamic pricing or not.

It's not like peak date Hotels and Uber. People using this analogy are idiots.

The Gallaghers are probably laughing and sneering at the fallout and controversy like they always have done. Rubbing their two fingers together. They don't give a crap, Have never given a crap. The money is probably divvied out already amongst them.

I consider any abusive pricing such as this "Touting" but that's neither here nor there and that's all I'll say about that.

Yeah, you will get people (certainly initially) hanging in there "just in case". It's human nature. But not everyone will. And certainly, if this is allowed to continue, more and more people will stop hanging in there. Certainly after a period of time.

Sure, if you were at 100 in the queue and this popped up, you'd likely stay "Just to have a look" and hope. But if you were 200K in the queue and it took you 2 hours to get from 300K to 200K, are you likely to stay in line for another couple of hours when it pops up saying "All initial tickets sold out. On Demand pricing in effect"? For some, yes. For people with a more casual interest? Probably not. Imagine how fast the queue would drop if everyone who backed out after 4 hours knew they were probably going to be charged 2-3 times initial price and would back out anyway. People who are willing to pay the On Demand price can stay on the (Now shorter) queue. The tickets will sell out. The On Demand tickets will sell out. People will still pay what they are willing to pay. People unable or unwilling to pay the higher cost won't and will feel let down/angry/disappointed.

People SHOULD be given the opportunity to exit the queue and go back to try another queue or simply do something else on Ticketmaster.

Edit: Typo

if I was offered tickets for 176 euro now I wouldn’t take them. They aren’t worth it. 127 maybe.

Yeah I think that's a fair approach. Ticketmaster currently pop up messages when tickets are limited or there are only VIP tickets left (like they did for Taylor Swift) so there's no reason why they can't have one saying that "only in-demand pricing tickets" remain.

There was platinum standing tickets available separately and these were available from the start but were actually cheaper than the final standing price

What showed up later was 'in demand standing ticket' for 415

Question:

Were tickets for the gig advertised at a certain price, and then when customers arrived at the point of purchase/ payment, they were asked for a higher price than advertised?

If this is, indeed, the case, then we can expect to see the Advertising Watchdogs in both the UK and Ireland push for a change in legislation to address the issue. I imagine this will be the last year we see the practice and I'm sure Live Nation will kick and scream about it, with their usual overly-convoluted commercial-heavy prose attempting to justify it's " fairness".

When you begin to see government ministers on both sides of the pond making this a political issue, it will be a case of " who blinks first".

I think the only real solution to this, whereby customers are upset at the long queue only to not get tickets at the 'advertised' pricing and the company (Ticketmaster and Oasis want to and should be allowed to maximise their revenue) is to have a pre-biding.

Rather than set a price, Ticketmaster gives a range. And each account (customer) selects the highest price they are prepared to pay.

<100, <200, <500, 1000 etc.

If enough people select 1000 per ticket, all tickets are offered at that price range. Unfortunately, those only wanting to pay 100 are priced out, but at least they know that and don't waste their time queueing.

What is being done now is to lure the customer is with the hope of a 150 ticket, then after waiting 5/6 hours, faced with a 500 ticket or no ticket at all Ticketmaster know that a sizeable amount of people will opt to buy the ticket. People can point out that people should have spending control etc, but this system is designed specifically to override that control on the basis of sunk cost and FOMO.

Make it so that the emotion of taken out of it and those that can/want to pay do and those that can't don't. Yes, its crap that people are priced out, but people are priced out of lots of things and that is just life, and capitalism.

Ticket prices were as advertised as they were 'from €86.50' (or thereabouts). And tickets were indeed 'from €86.50'.

When you got to the ticket selection screen, the ticket price for every ticket was displayed. Once you added it to your basket (assuming there was stock), that was the price you paid.

The CCPC have already said there was nothing illegal about it and they've ruled out an enquiry as everything was above board.

I'm not justifying the prices but people are clutching at straws trying to find some illegality about the whole thing.

Tickets have never costed the same for everyone as for sold out gigs some will have paid a lot to touts.

Sometimes the touts lost though and you could pick up tickets for less than face value. The point is there has always been market pricing for events. The only difference here is that it's the organisers that create the market and take the profits.

And Oasis show is as cheap as they come to put on. They dont do flashy staging and croke park will likely only have a standard concert stage. The costs really are just hire of the hall, security and minimal staging. The minimum break even cost would be something like €50 per person. Everything above that goes to pay the promoter and the acts.

Flat pricing means that effectively the promoter and the acts are leaving money on the table for touts to take. Dynamic pricing means that the organisers see the profits for their endeavours rather than a third party opportunist.

Understanding the logic of the pricing and why it is done is different from endorsing it. Of course I'd like to see tickets at a flat price, it means that I might be able to get a ticket to an event for a price far below what id be willing to pay for it. The question is, why should acts be so generous. Why should they effectively give me free money?

Id love to know what the total ticket haul was in the end :)

Better than being behind one Ash!