General Premier League Thread 2024-25

Tbf to keane he actually started that off by asking the question about how easy it was to get at united. Keane is about as good as you are going to get these days as sku have totally gone away from the tactical side of thing, when Neville and carragher were on Monday night football together it was good analysis and this often was brought into super Sunday debates but it's totally been shelved now and Roy Keane's the top level allowed.

Which is a shame given what Neville and carragher did is what made them the big name pundits they are, but even Neville himself watches feck all football these days which is probably why he comes out with so much nonsense.

Yeah he definitely seems to have a better, more concise grasp of English than his compatriot too

Did he actually say he's not Harry Potter 😁

He has given some of the oddest interviews since he's joined United but I honestly can't remember has he ever taken the blame for the poor results because of his awful set up or inability to change a game when it gets away from United (bar calling a hailmary of McTominay grabbing a goal off the bench).

ETH seems to be a dead man walking. He's allowed Ruud to come in and from reading his body language and the fact he's an ambitious guy starting out on his own management career, probably has his eye on ETH job. He's now in season 3 at United, he can only blame everything and everyone else for so long, the rope is getting short I'd imagine.

Saw this comment on BBC lol

I'm not Harry Potter? Not sure what he means, but he's sure made £500m+ disappear

This is where Spurs are since season they reached CL final. United unlike spurs pick up trophies but feels like they have been in this position for 10 years.

Ironically, the FA Cup might very well have been a poisoned chalice as far as Man Utd are concerned, because two good performances there papered over a million cracks. Ten Hag gone at Christmas, and Ruud in, originally just as caretaker?

Richard Keys weighs in on the Rice red card, quoting a WWE Hulk Hogan tribute video?

I actually think United were quite a bit improved in the first two games compared to similar games last year. Mount and Fernandes as false 9s or 10s was working well and they were creating plenty of chances and they had a clear plan and direction.

Not sure I rate Zirkzee yet but goals came when he came on, and tbh it was a bit of a freak that Garnacho/Zirkzee incident didn’t result in a goal v Brighton, and that would have been 6 points out of 6.

Overall their players are miles below the level of City, Liverpool, Arsenal. I don’t think ETH had any significant input into signings this summer, so I doubt a new manager would have got any better results/performances this season. ETH did try and wean Casemiro out at the end of last season, but he’d no option but to play him this season when they couldn’t get rid of him and they did get rid of McTominay against ETH’s wishes it seems and it’s taken an age to get Ugarte in

United fans giving him a load of abuse for not taking off Rashford. But Garnacho was every bit as bad, and Rashford’s cross for the Zirk header was the single piece of top quality that any United player showed.

Just to be clear, I am not defending signings ETH was involved in during his first two seasons.

ten Hag getting the dreaded vote of confidence from the utd CEO tonight.

Regards,

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When he was trying to buy into united one of the sticks used to beat him by the Saudi supporters was that big jim is/was a brexiteer. And people just kinda assume he wants everything British at united, which of course is nonsense when you look at the hirings behind the scenes, but it was a popular narrative on social media so its true now.

While the quotes are from before the Liverpool game, I would think that if the feeling had really changed at the club they would have quitely requested those quotes be dropped. Maybe the couldn't/wouldn't do that - but I would think if you are now discussing if you should sack him, you wouldn't want 'we fully back him' to be hitting the papers just days before you announce you are parting company.

I agree, somewhat, but would argue after the vote of confidence you need to fail more before getting the boot. My point is I don't think EtH is going to be sacked in this international break, based on these comments coming out.

Whether he lasts to the next one is a different matter.

If INEOS are ruthless, maybe.

But I reckon he will get enough wins and results to stumble on unless INEOS are ruthless.

Realistically we COULD beat Southampton and Barnsley, get a result vs Palace, beat Twente - and then things aren't looking doomsday going into the Spurs (H) - Porto (A) - Villa (A). We could then realitically lose all 3 of them and he is back under pressure and that could see him sacked. But does a draw vs Spurs at home buy him enough rope to last defeats in the next two? If he survives that lot we go Brentfornd (H), Fener (A), West Ham (A), Chelsea (H). I could see him getting 2 wins a draw and a defeat there. Is that enough to keep it stumbling along? Then it is Leicster at home and POAK at home. Should be two wins heading into the international break and are things turning around for him?? (lol).

IMO he should have been sacked in the summer. He should be sacked today. But he has a habbit of doing *just* enough to save his bum every time.

I'd like to think INEOS will be ruthless, but the fact EtH is still manager indicates they either don't have the courage to sack him or they can't afford to sack him. I can't honestly believe they think he is the man for the job going forward, really.

Don't think anyone is saying it didn't happen. The issue being discussed is 'when'. The original poster indicated 'last night', after the Liverpool game. However it seems to have been Saturday night, before that game, but only released now.

As much of an omnishambles that United have been in recent years, even they would know that Southgate would be a dreadful appointment.

He’s never been successful in club management and has consistently failed internationally with arguably the most talented squad in the world, playing dour football and showing himself to be tactically limited.

No serious club will be anywhere near him.

I was on the side of ETH getting another year because I looked at the performances of every previous manager under the same regime since Ferguson retired and world class players have continuously failed to perform there. I felt there was something upstairs causing the problems.

He got the extra year starting with another summer under a new regime to get things sorted but it's blatantly obvious already that nothing has changed so he has to go now.

I don't think anyone should concern themselves with what Ratcliffe says, because in the end, he is only interested in himself, and can twist and turn in the wind, to suit his own agenda. The man who weighed in hugely behind Brexit, now finds himself living in Monaco while INEOS build vehicles in France and Austria. Their biggest manufacturing site in Britain is Grangemouth, and just before Christmas it was announced that Petroineos, the owner of the refinery, intended to cease operations there by 2025, putting all 400 jobs at risk. If he identifies Ten Hag as a risk to his investment, which he looks like, he won't last too long and the board will thanks him for the job he has done, etc etc.

Great news for Leicester, they’ve won their PSR appeal against a points deduction.

It’ll be pretty funny if they still end up going down.

Screenshotting your own post to prove a point? Jesus, it's just a discussion forum, not the International Court of Human Rights. Get over yourself FFS.

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That Dortmund manager, Allegri even Tuchel would be much better options.

Minimum expectation I had (as someone that didn't want to see him sacked) is CL qualification and a significant uptick in performances.

Of the three games we've played thus far,we were favourites in one of them (Fulham) and won (should have won by more) and betting underdogs in the other two which we lost. We should have at least gotten a draw at Brighton but didn't. Is it acceptable for a team of Uniteds stature to be underdogs against a team of Brightons stature? No, but it is where we are currently.

Last Sunday was a shytshow. We were actually doing OK until Casemiros first faux pas and after that the heads completely went. There is a very soft underbelly across the team so unless the manager can redress that then he probably won't see Christmas.