Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

EdgeCase · 06-05-2018 4:30pm

To be fair, RTE Prime Time has been VERY good on exposing scandals and was the main outlet that blew the lid off many of the abuse scandals, financial scandals, corruption scandals etc etc. It's pretty solid public service investigative journalism.

Also George Lee was highlighting the financial crisis years before it happened in 2008.

RTE News in general can be quite bland though.

suicide_circus · 06-05-2018 4:48pm

Just stick to news, current affairs, the odd culture and community piece, sport and weather. Maybe a lifestyle show or two would be ok too. Stop with the talking shops of Tubs, D'arsey, Finucane and Duffy. The latter's 30 year macabre passion for death and human misery is beyond all comprehension.

kneemos · 06-05-2018 5:11pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Just stick to news, current affairs, the odd culture and community piece, sport and weather. Maybe a lifestyle show or two would be ok too. Stop with the talking shops of Tubs, D'arsey, Finucane and Duffy. The latter's 30 year macabre passion for death and human misery is beyond all comprehension.

He lives for a cancer victim that boy.

kippy · 06-05-2018 7:55pm

briany wrote: »

Well, not for us there's not, but some social media platforms are raking it in with the ad money all that detailed user data gets them.

I don't get the relevance.

briany · 07-05-2018 12:38am

kneemos wrote: »

He lives for a cancer victim that boy.

Joking aside, Liveline is something that has had a power to effect change, and raise awareness of scandals, scams and societal issues.

It's been going for a long time. Jerry Springer didn't start out as the ultra-sleazy circus it ended up being but that's what got ratings. It was an evolution. I wonder if Liveline evolved into what it is because when you give people an open platform to talk, what they'll mostly do is complain?

suicide_circus · 07-05-2018 3:21pm

Read this:

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/television/michael-odoherty-seven-questions-that-rte-boss-dee-forbes-must-answer-36881194.html

Utter indefensible.

kneemos · 07-05-2018 3:42pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Read this:

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/television/michael-odoherty-seven-questions-that-rte-boss-dee-forbes-must-answer-36881194.html

Utter indefensible.

Forget the presenters. 71,000 average salary sounds obscene.

suicide_circus · 07-05-2018 3:45pm

kneemos wrote: »

Forget the presenters. 71,000 average salary sounds obscene.

And 2000 employees

dxhound2005 · 07-05-2018 3:45pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Read this:

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/television/michael-odoherty-seven-questions-that-rte-boss-dee-forbes-must-answer-36881194.html

Utter indefensible.

I wouldn't pay any attention to O'Doherty.

http://www.dailyedge.ie/eoghan-mcdermott-michael-odoherty-2023449-Mar2015/

Ineedaname · 07-05-2018 3:49pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

And 2000 employees

10% of which are on paid career breaks at any one time.

That's ridiculous.

suicide_circus · 07-05-2018 3:49pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I wouldn't pay any attention to O'Doherty.

http://www.dailyedge.ie/eoghan-mcdermott-michael-odoherty-2023449-Mar2015/

Does that negate any of his questions about rte in the article I linked?

ninja 12 · 07-05-2018 3:50pm

So instead of fixing the useless RTE Player , just add an RTE2+1 channel instead .

What a shambles RTE is -

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rté-plans-plus-one-channel-for-rté2-1.3485996?mode=amp

Will the "stars" of RTE get repeat fees if it goes ahead ?

suicide_circus · 07-05-2018 3:52pm

ninja 12 wrote: »

So instead of fixing the useless RTE Player , just add an RTE2+1 channel instead

A ground breaking idea

kneemos · 07-05-2018 6:53pm

The BBC has an average salary of £43,000(€49,000).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/12/bbc-average-salary-is-now-43000-as-corporations-wage-bill-rises/

Atoms for Peace · 07-05-2018 7:01pm

How the hell does aertel cost €700,000 to run?

Jet Black · 07-05-2018 7:12pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

How the hell does aertel cost €700,000 to run?

They've 10 people running it. One on career break.

kneemos · 07-05-2018 7:15pm

TV3's average salary is less than half of RTE's at 34,000.

https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=TV3_Television/Salary

16-05-2018 6:22am

Rte lost a good bit of the champions league, and they want more money ffs - for what under 12 rosscommon under 13s rugby - thanks Ryle and Dee

Red_Wake · 16-05-2018 9:15am

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

Rte lost a good bit of the champions league, and they want more money ffs - for what under 12 rosscommon under 13s rugby - thanks Ryle and Dee

Nugent is probably delighted - the prick would happily show rugby all hours of the day if he could. Surprised he hasn't got the Leinster School's Cup on broadcast.

EdEd · 16-05-2018 9:18am

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

Rte lost a good bit of the champions league, and they want more money ffs - for what under 12 rosscommon under 13s rugby - thanks Ryle and Dee

They lost the final and highlights. They still have a game every week. People really do like to dramatise things on here.

If they had more money they'd probably have all the Champions League. Instead Virgin Media has it.

lawred2 · 16-05-2018 9:30am

Red_Wake wrote: »

Nugent is probably delighted - the prick would happily show rugby all hours of the day if he could. Surprised he hasn't got the Leinster School's Cup on broadcast.

hasn't he left that position?

Cantona's Collars · 16-05-2018 9:36am

EdEd wrote: »

They lost the final and highlights. They still have a game every week. People really do like to dramatise things on here.

If they had more money they'd probably have all the Champions League. Instead Virgin Media has it.

They get the 2nd picks of the Tuesday games. TV3 get first dibs on the Tuesday and now Wednesday games along with Europa league.
If you want to watch club football then RTE comes low down on the list of channels to see it on.
For a rugby man,Ryle did a piss poor job of holding onto coverage. 6 Nations gone, Rugby WC on Eir.

whisky_galore · 16-05-2018 10:35am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

How the hell does aertel cost €700,000 to run?

I would have thought that dinosaur would have been consigned to the technological dustbin by now.

EdEd · 16-05-2018 10:39am

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

They get the 2nd picks of the Tuesday games.

Wrong. They have first pick on Tuesday.

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 10:45am

lawred2 wrote: »

hasn't he left that position?

Yup because he lost literally every sporting event or license that he bid for, they lost the rugby world cup and six nations, they no longer have any pro14 games, then theres new football adjustments and they have vastly reduced gaa coverage. He oversaw a literal demolishing of the entire RTE sports department as they simply don't have anything to show anymore.

EdEd · 16-05-2018 10:49am

Why is Ryle Nugent being blamed for the GAA not allowing more games to be shown on television?

super_furry · 16-05-2018 10:54am

VinLieger wrote: »

Yup because he lost literally every sporting event or license that he bid for, they lost the rugby world cup and six nations, they no longer have any pro14 games, then theres new football adjustments and they have vastly reduced gaa coverage. He oversaw a literal demolishing of the entire RTE sports department as they simply don't have anything to show anymore.

If they can’t bid enough to secure the rights and are being outbid by TV3, maybe that suggests that they do need more funding.

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 10:54am

EdEd wrote: »

Why is Ryle Nugent being blamed for the GAA not allowing more games to be shown on television?

I bet if he put together an attractive enough offer they would have no problem but again he seems incapable of doing that as he has lost pretty much every bid he went in for

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 10:58am

super_furry wrote: »

If they can’t bid enough to secure the rights and are being outbid by TV3, maybe that suggests that they do need more funding.

They already have way more funding than TV3 as they have a larger audience so can charge more for adverts and get the vast majority of the license fee, if they cannot compete with TV3 it indicates a systemic problem on how they operate, ie as has been pointed out many times their bloated salaries that the same people would be unable to get anything close to at another station and well documented outdated work practices

Shurimgreat · 16-05-2018 11:11am

RTE is and has always been so badly run its hard to know where to start.
The cost over-runs are many and common.
Little things like the cost of sending an entry to Eurovision, something like 100k+.
Aertel.
Paying over the odds to mediocre presenters in generic presenting jobs that anyone could do.
Live sports programs - 3 analysts on the panel, one or two presenters, commentator and co commentator - pitchside reporter.
Commissioning drama programs which continuously flop.
2FM - heavily subsidised and does nothing that a hundred other independent stations don't do.
Two orchestras.

Red_Wake · 16-05-2018 11:51am

Shurimgreat wrote: »

RTE is and has always been so badly run its hard to know where to start.
The cost over-runs are many and common.
Little things like the cost of sending an entry to Eurovision, something like 100k+.
Aertel.
Paying over the odds to mediocre presentersb]who just happen to have extensive family connections to the organisation[/b in generic presenting jobs that anyone could do.
Live sports programs - 3 analysts on the panel, one or two presenters, commentator and co commentator - pitchside reporter.
Commissioning drama programs which continuously flop.
2FM - heavily subsidised and does nothing that a hundred other independent stations don't do.
Two orchestras.

Expanded a little bit on your point there.

RTE should be burnt to the ground.

lawred2 · 16-05-2018 11:53am

VinLieger wrote: »

lawred2 wrote: »

hasn't he left that position?

Yup because he lost literally every sporting event or license that he bid for, they lost the rugby world cup and six nations, they no longer have any pro14 games, then theres new football adjustments and they have vastly reduced gaa coverage. He oversaw a literal demolishing of the entire RTE sports department as they simply don't have anything to show anymore.

Because they couldn't afford them no?

lawred2 · 16-05-2018 11:56am

VinLieger wrote: »

super_furry wrote: »

If they can’t bid enough to secure the rights and are being outbid by TV3, maybe that suggests that they do need more funding.

They already have way more funding than TV3 as they have a larger audience so can charge more for adverts and get the vast majority of the license fee, if they cannot compete with TV3 it indicates a systemic problem on how they operate, ie as has been pointed out many times their bloated salaries that the same people would be unable to get anything close to at another station and well documented outdated work practices

TV3 are owned by Virgin right?

I bet they have way more money for rights bids than RTE.

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 12:02pm

lawred2 wrote: »

TV3 are owned by Virgin right?

I bet they have way more money for rights bids than RTE.

They acquired them in december 2015 which was after they beat out RTE for the rugby world cup and six nations contracts

kneemos · 16-05-2018 12:47pm

Shurimgreat wrote: »

RTE is and has always been so badly run its hard to know where to start.
The cost over-runs are many and common.
Little things like the cost of sending an entry to Eurovision, something like 100k+.
Aertel.
Paying over the odds to mediocre presenters in generic presenting jobs that anyone could do.
Live sports programs - 3 analysts on the panel, one or two presenters, commentator and co commentator - pitchside reporter.
Commissioning drama programs which continuously flop.
2FM - heavily subsidised and does nothing that a hundred other independent stations don't do.
Two orchestras.

2016 Eurovision entry cost something like 340,000,sixteen people I think.
Dunno what it costs these days.

kneemos · 16-05-2018 12:51pm

VinLieger wrote: »

They acquired them in december 2015 which was after they beat out RTE for the rugby world cup and six nations contracts

UTV owned them before Virgin.
They we're barely surviving on their own if I remember rightly, couldn't have bid on an eBay auction.

EdEd · 16-05-2018 1:18pm

VinLieger wrote: »

I bet if he put together an attractive enough offer they would have no problem but again he seems incapable of doing that as he has lost pretty much every bid he went in for

The GAA said clearly that there would be no extra games available for television. If Ryle Nugent did as you say he should you would be on here banging on about a waste of money.

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 1:24pm

EdEd wrote: »

The GAA said clearly that there would be no extra games available for television. If Ryle Nugent did as you say he should you would be on here banging on about a waste of money.

No i wouldn't because that would be rte actually following through on their mandate of airing national sports which they barely do anymore.

I also am starting to believe you have some kind of connection to RTE

EdEd · 16-05-2018 1:28pm

I don't have a connection to RTE. I get fed up of people posting baseless claims. You making that claim about me says more about your paranoia. Keep whispering to yourself that others will sometimes not agree with you.

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 1:32pm

EdEd wrote: »

I get fed up of people posting baseless claims.

You should probably just turn off the internet then if your going to be that sensitive

EdEd · 16-05-2018 1:35pm

VinLieger wrote: »

You should probably just turn off the internet then if your going to be that sensitive

And you should stop bull****ting.

VinLieger · 16-05-2018 1:42pm

EdEd wrote: »

And you should stop bull****ting.

Meh I have my opinions and you have yours..... mine just happen to be right

:D

EdEd · 16-05-2018 1:42pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Meh I have my opinions and you have yours..... mine just happen to be right :D

Good for you. Pat yourself on the back and enjoy life.

cherryghost · 16-05-2018 1:50pm

2000 staff with an average wage of 71k is 142m a year! Cutting staff and wages alone would massively reduce deficit and reliance on the ancient relic TV licence.

700k a year on Aertel - Cut that ****e off
12m on 2 orchestras - Cut that in half

And Forbes had the gall to say

RTE's main financial win would be if Revenue began to collect the licence fee as evasion would be effectively stamped out. It would deliver up to €50m in extra revenue, RTE believes. "All we are saying is that if everybody paid the licence fee, the problem would be solved," said Forbes.

Red_Wake · 16-05-2018 2:02pm

Every pig wants a deeper trough tbf.

Shurimgreat · 16-05-2018 9:43pm

I have no problem with the licence fee paying for more and better Irish produced television.

But when its used to pay higher salaries than competitors and to people who do a worse job than competitors than they can forget about a hike.

I'd rather see it privatised and the licence fee abolished than another hike.

Dyr · 16-05-2018 10:40pm

cherryghost wrote: »

2000 staff with an average wage of 71k is 142m a year! Cutting staff and wages alone would massively reduce deficit and reliance on the ancient relic TV licence.

700k a year on Aertel - Cut that ****e off
12m on 2 orchestras - Cut that in half

And Forbes had the gall to say

I'm all for keeping retro niche technology but how in the name of jaysus is aertel costing 700k?

ligerdub · 16-05-2018 11:42pm

There are times when I think RTE get a bad rep and I start to feel a degree of sympathy to them.......and then they completely outdo themselves with this sort of rubbish.

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2018/0516/963899-amy-huberman-begins-production-on-new-rte-comedy/

It's so painfully predictable it's not funny. I can just see them there in their offices with some bar chart for gender splits in the various shows they've commissioned and the starring roles across the board. Must add another female comedy to the mix, let's hope it's as funny as Can't Laugh, Won't Laugh.

Amy Huberman is not a good actress.
Amy Huberman is not funny.

Amy Huberman should therefore not have had a comedy that she has written commissioned. I guarantee this was agreed before a word of this was written by the way. There's no way "Aymz" would have bothered to write this unless there was some sort of silent deal on the table.

I look forward to the countless sycophantic tweets and endless promotion of this on RTE, the Indo (Amy's propaganda machine), the Daily Edge, the Journal, all that other rubbish that publishes articles about "Why we love so and so" when that person is largely not universally loved. It'll be hailed as the greatest thing of all time.

As for the actresses involved, well at least Bea is an actress, but Whitmore? Where did she fit into all this? Could they not have found somebody who can actually act, or at least has a bit of charisma or humour to them? Who are these people who love Huberman and Whitmore where there's this sort of invisible demand for them to be on our tv screens? Any time I hear a general member of the public comment on them it's in the negative, in terms of their career anyway. This would absolutely not have been commissioned on a network that wasn't publicly funded and therefore requiring some degree of a return on investment.

At least the storyline is original though eh. Let the IFTA's flow on this one.

Tripe!

fritzelly · 17-05-2018 12:22am

Bambi wrote: »

I'm all for keeping retro niche technology but how in the name of jaysus is aertel costing 700k?

The 20k typist
The 40k supervisor
The 60k assistant manager
The 120k manager

Add on another 20% for PRSI, plus bonuses and perks you're now close to half the cost.

A dinosaur of a station.
The RTE player is laughable, tried to watch something the other day. Kept losing connection after the ads played - third time it actually worked then got ads after another 30 mins and guess what...

These high paid presenters do not do anything that anyone in the business could do just as well for a fraction of the price. Hell Joe Duffy - what does he do exactly but just answer the phone (and promote his book) - get a receptionist in for 20k a year, be the same as it's the callers that make the program not him.

political analyst · 17-05-2018 12:57am

VinLieger wrote: »

Yup because he lost literally every sporting event or license that he bid for, they lost the rugby world cup and six nations, they no longer have any pro14 games, then theres new football adjustments and they have vastly reduced gaa coverage. He oversaw a literal demolishing of the entire RTE sports department as they simply don't have anything to show anymore.

RTÉ still has a great deal of GAA coverage - some live matches and regular Sunday night highlights - the Summer Olympics and Euro, World Cup and some League of Ireland football.

Do you not think RTÉ has enough sports coverage?

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore