Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

It's the same tactic they've employed over and over throughout the course of this thread. Latch on to one tiny thing (in this case medals) and attempt to repeatedly bash anyone that disagrees over the head with said point. Its hilariously transparent.

Unfortunately, I am like a dog with a bone, so I won't let up.

For sure it is steeped in an internalised hatred of women, because they want to be women, but know they can't... so end up hating women. Autogynephilia is one helluva psychological head ****!

It is truly sad to see this play out, and even more so to see ot wear the guise of 'progress, and feminism'... it is the antithesis of those things.

Sadly that is always the case. A small legitimate group gets hijacked by a very vocal and annoying group, who tarnish the entire group.

A tale as old as time.

I also feel sorry for the LGB part of the LGBTQAII+, because ai inagine therebis a lot of 'guilty by association' being levelled at them. Can understand why there are break away groups tryingbto separate themselves from the things after LGB.

Because to some people they are seen as the gender (and now sex) that they say they are. For those individuals reality is defined by words.

If only reality was defined by words - I'd be a Euromillions winner!

Yeah right.

Anyway. CAreful what you write about this. The Algerian lady is suing

In July, Proekt — a Russian investigative outlet deemed undesirable by the Kremlin — published an investigation that revealed the depths of Kremlev’s relationship with the Russian state.

According to the report, the IBA president changed his surname from Lutfulloyev, a Turkic name reflecting his Tajik heritage, to the more Russian-sounding Kremlev in 2010, in an effort to distance himself from a criminal record that includes convictions for extortion and battery. In that same year, he also joined the notorious Night Wolves biker gang, an ultranationalist group with close ties to Putin.

It was through the Night Wolves that Kremlev met Alexei Rubezhnoi, the head of Putin’s security service and an influential figure in the Kremlin. Rubezhnoi lobbied for Kremlev to become the secretary general of the Russian Boxing Federation. He also helped Kremlev secure a private audience with Putin.

Kremlev did not waste his chance. He established a relationship with the Russian president, who bestowed him with the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, awarded for outstanding contributions to the state. Having established himself in Putin’s circle, Kremlev was reportedly gifted with “unlimited opportunities to make money.”

During Kremlev’s tenure with the Russian Boxing Federation, the group saw a significant increase in financial support from main sponsors such as the bookmaker company Liga Stavok and the National Lottery. According to Proekt, these entities are actually owned by Kremlev. Additionally, Rubezhnoi also engineered the nationalization of Rolf, Russia’s biggest car dealership, and then successfully lobbied the Kremlin to place the company under Kremlev’s control.

Kremlev, with the backing of his Kremlin allies, also gained control over the Russian betting market. In 2021, a decree signed by Putin appointed TsUPIS — a company gifted to Kremlev after its previous owner, the billionaire lawmaker Magomed Gadzhiyev, fled Russia for denouncing the war on Ukraine — as the sole operator of all bookmaker betting in the country. Kremlev also became the beneficiary of three of Russia’s largest betting companies: Fonbet, Pari and Liga Stavok. In return for his business success, Kremlev leveraged his position within the sporting world to further Russia’s political agenda.

You're correct but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ8hGgZi7Ek

It used to be that women being pissed off about men in their sports was because of "American right wing Christians". Now the Russian interference conspiracy is back in style. Couldn't just be that it's wrong and people are getting pissed off about women being denied fairness and opportunities

Perhaps you would be kind enough to share one of these examples of so called "cyber bullying" ?

Human adult female?

oh you found it? Can you throw up a link please I tried looking for it but I’m no good with the French websites. Thanks in advance. I’d like to verify your dismissive evidence free claim for myself.

Maybe if you don't even know what the lawsuit says, you shouldn't really be telling other people to read the lawsuit as though you have a clue? Something of a chancer, aren't you?

So when you said "She's suing so read her lawsuit maybe" - the truth is that you had no idea whether that lawsuit provided any examples of cyber bullying or not? Because you haven't read it? Yet you're implying that you know there are such examples in it.

That's a pretty blatant example of chancing your arm. 😁

are you hard of reading, like you like to tell others:

“Hmmmz.…. Khelif is not suing for defamation so whether she takes any test or the results get released are m00t. She is suing for cyberbullying and unless you had blinkers on, it's patently clear that JK, along with Lord Elon and Logal Paul among others, brought an onslaught of hate and bullying down upon Khelif.”

🤡

It’s very clear you and squirrel have not read the lawsuit that you wish to poke holes in. If you have great, share it so the thread can read directly from it and move on. 😃

Well for one the IOC. What an odd question to ask. If the results were undisputed we would see lawsuits from the various boxers who had lost to the two boxers in question (the other boxer seems to be forgotten about for some reason) looking to have the results struck out and the silver medallists to get the gold. This however has not happened.

The facts of the case for both boxers is that the allegations against are still disputed/ unproven. No matter what Jk Rowling says about one for them being male.

I'd assumed he'd read it thoroughly and that was the basis of the accusation - now it appears not, how awfully odd!!!

The ioc called the tests flawed and couldn't be engaged with.

It is a fact that the allegations against both boxers are unproven so I do see a good chance the jk Rowling will be done for cyberbullying. Can't keep calling females males when they are only based on unproven allegations.

No this isn't correct. In fact it was deliberate misinformation from activists. You need to read the actual timeline of events. Here for instance:

Here's the relevant part:

9. "The IBA only disqualified L & K because they beat Russian boxers at the 2023 championships!"

No they did not. Khelif beat Thailand's Janjaem Suwannapheng and was set to compete against China's Yang Liu for gold in the Welterweight category.

Lin beat Bulgaria's Svetlana Kamenova Staneva for bronze in the Featherweight category.

They were scheduled to fight no Russian boxers in either one of their categories, and only one Russian boxer won a gold medal in the entire championship (Anastasiia Demurchian, Light Middleweight).

India won the most gold medals (4) at the 2023 Women's Championship. China won the most medals overall (7). Kazakhstan won the second most medals overall (6). Russia only won 3 medals at the championship.

Also worth noting that another Taiwanese boxer, Huang Hsiao-wen, won gold in the Bantamweight category. So for all the Taiwanese mouthpieces claiming Lin's disqualification was just "discrimination against Taiwan"... lol no.

Added: There appears to now be (another) narrative that is being manufactured in real time - that Khelif was somehow simply being “punished” for beating a Russian boxer in the 2023 championships.

Note how the AP frames this. They make it seem as though Khelif was disqualified after beating Amineva. In reality, the AP had to go back TWO MATCHES to find where Khelif had fought a Russian. After besting Amineva, Khelif went on to beat Uzbekistan’s Navbakhor Khamidova, and then Thailand’s Janjaem Suwannapheng. Khelif was disqualified just before facing off against China’s Yang Liu.

No Russian advanced to the finals of this match. The Russian boxer didn’t even come close to it. Disqualifying Khelif wouldn’t have advanced the Russian boxer to a favourable position.

Further, multiple other boxers very easily beat Russian opponents and advanced to win gold without any such problems. Such as Morocco’s Khadija El-Mardi in the heavyweight, who directly beat Russia’s Diana Pyatak for a spot in the gold match that she would ultimately win.

Other Russian boxers were left in the dust in other categories where they didn’t even end up placing at all. Yet no other boxers were “punished” for directly beating these Russian competitors.

It also doesn’t mesh for Lin Yu-Ting, who never matched against a single Russian boxer.

And I will add: Who has more motivation to lie here? And in the answer to that question you will find the truth.

The IBA and @umarkremlev have none. There is literally not a single thing they lost or gained by disqualifying Lin and Khelif. There is not a single benefit for them wading into this fight. In fact, it will only get worse for them as they continue to be derided and abused on an international scale.

The IOC, however, has A LOT at stake right now. The legitimacy of their already embarrassing Paris performance. Their decision to abolish sex-testing. Their decision to not do proper gender tests in one of the most dangerous contact sports. Potential lawsuits from female athletes. Their relationships with two country’s national olympic committees and potential lawsuits from them, too. And that is before we even get to politics of gender ideology itself.

I understand Lin and Khelif are not transgender, of course, but gender ideology is still a factor here as the refusal of the IOC to reinstitute sex testing is 100% the result of their desire to avoid accusations of bigotry. 

TL,DR: Other Russians were beaten by other female boxers but none of those boxers were accused of being male, and even Khelif's disqualification did not make any difference to the Russian boxer (Azalia Amineva) anyway, as she went on to be beaten by other boxers. None of whom were accused of being male.

HTH

Do the new rules allow me to thank this more than once? 😀

The wrong receipts though

"Those same IOC and USA Boxing officials point out the women were disqualified without warning three days after Khelif beat undefeated Russian boxer Azalia Amineva at the world championships. Khelif’s disqualification wiped away the only blemish on the record of Amineva, who remains unbeaten."

Volchitsa is here for the propaganda

Do you think it is scientifically possible to identify whether a person is male sex or female sex?

It's a simple question. Do you think your evasiveness makes for a convincing argument? You are rejecting the possibility that DNA could identify whether someone is male sex or female sex.

Do you think it is scientifically possible to identify whether a person is male sex or female sex?