French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

Maybe discuss the case itself, instead of how dangerous men are ….

Then we might be able to have a serious , adult conversation ……

is the advertisement only targeting wife beaters who are already predisposed to criminal acts or will the advertisement be seen by all walks of life, including young children and young adults who have not formed their sexual identities or their convictions about what is moral and ethical and legal to them.

In certain US states, for example, marital rape is shockingly legal. Because of this, you may find in states where it is illegal, people have the mistaken notion that it is legal in their jurisdiction. if you ran advertisement campaigns to raise public awareness of the crime, surely you would reduce the incident rate, and even cause women who see the ad advertisement to report their abusers, who may otherwise have been deceived into believing that what their husband was doing, could not be stopped by official means.

From the NYT:

The trial comes at a moment of heightened scrutiny of the handling of sexual crimes in the country. Rape is defined in French law as an “act of sexual penetration” committed “by violence, coercion, threat or surprise.” A number of feminist lawmakers want to amend that wording to say explicitly that sex without consent is rape, that consent can be withdrawn at any time, and that consent cannot exist if sexual assault is committed “by abusing a state impairing the judgment of another.”

“There is a kind of naïveté on the topic of predators in France, a kind of denial,” said Sandrine Josso, a lawmaker who led a parliamentary commission into what is known in France as “chemical submission” — drugging someone with malicious intent. She started the commission after she says she became the victim of a drugging last year. A senator is being investigated on accusations that he slipped Ecstasy into her Champagne. 

droll non answer

If you have it in you, you have it in you.

How much have we spent on drug awareness towards young people over the past few decades and the country is awash with drugs?? Have the ads worked??

*How dangerous rapists are.

Read the thread from the start for the full answer. Thanks.

More than likely not

studies continue to show the positive impact of DUI awareness campaigns though.

It's not often posters actually read back and admit they were wrong so fair play to you for that.

You completely missed (or more likely ignored) the point that people of either sex are capable of evil acts & there is no reliable way to know.

Please stop quoting me please….

Im done with this hyperbolic chamber of a thread… So please stop dragging me back in…….

And why are you cleaning up after the OP's mess, and they have gone…
Slán arís ….

Why did you even bother posting if you had nothing of value to add? The same as all the posters who are asking what are they expected to do about rapists or that it's pointless trying to stop them.

If you have no ideas on how to tackle this serious issue then you don't have to say anything. If trying to change the culture which allows these rapists to exist offends you then that's an issue you have to deal with.

Stop trying to shout down people who want things to change, who dare state the fact that nearly all rapists are men. This is a fact, misrepresenting the statement of this fact as an attack on all men is disgusting. You may not care enough to try to reduce the rate of sexual assaults on women, if so then just say nothing. The angry, deceitful, whataboutery posts and comments happen whenever this topic is raised in public or on the internet. It's not helping any woman who has been attacked or may be attacked anyway, it helps the rapists in this world who thrive under the current culture.

My thoughts exactly. I’ve a friend who was killed by a drunk driver, and have been hit by one too. Friends killer got his license back as soon as he was released after 4 years, against the wishes of the Gardaí and I followed the guy who hit me, watched him fall out of his jeep and go around the side to take a pi55 whilst on the phone to the Gardaí, asked them if I should take his keys and was told no, just to drive to their station so they could see the damage. We aren’t a serious country.

I'm trying to spin nothing, that was in the opening post. 70+ men from the same town would be a lot (I don't know what 'a heck of a lot of men' is). 70+ men from France would not. Is this explained in a manner you can understand ?

No need to bother arguing with the 3rd party poster that is trying to explain away the agenda of the OP, the OP has spoken for themselves: assume the worst of men everywhere and be suspicious of them, assume all men met are perverts, make this a problem men writ large are to blame for and exclusively to deal with, etc,

"Not all men", sure - but it turns out, "a heck of a lot of men" all the same, when the opportunity presents itself.

So unless there's some reason to think that particular small town and its surroundings make up some sort of "Little Britain" incestuous village - which AFAIK there isn't, then it's probably the same everywhere. Which means there are a lot of men living normal lives who are eager to rape an unconscious woman as long as her husband isn't going to punch their lights out.

They were all recruited locally [citation missing]. That means a lot of ordinary-looking men in a smallish area are in fact men with that predisposition. I don't see how to avoid concluding from that, that a lot more men than I certainly ever imagined are in fact predisposed to such acts.

But I am genuinely shocked to the core by this, and it's true I'm struggling to know how women are supposed to be able to continue to assume the best of men in general in light of it.

Not because I think it's all men, or even most men. But it's clearly far more men than I had ever imagined, (there was a similar thing in South Korea recently too, of men selling nude photos of their daughters to other men) so yes I'm actually rather shaken by it.

I'm not disputing that it's still a minority. But it's no longer sensible to go on assuming that it's a tiny minority. It's a significant number of men who appear to be perfectly normal - and that horrifies me.

This case shows that, while clearly not all men are on those sites, plenty of "ordinary" men are. And for women, that is terrifying.

Fast moving thread, I don't know what question that is. And you certainly have not replied to mine, which I asked ages ago: in practice, how are women to tell which ordinary seeming men are the perverts, and how should that impossibility of knowing affect their general approach to men if at all?

[in other words] would women be well-advised to be suspicious of all men, just in case, or should they continue to give men the benefit of the doubt, even if that necessarily leads to a certain number of them being abused in the way this woman has been?

It is men who are the VAST majority of violent criminals and sexual perverts.

I'd say that as a woman, it's not up to me to propose solutions to male abuse. Isn't that a problem for men to deal with? 

Add "apparently" if you wish, but that doesn't change the point, which is that we can only take people as they present. And they presented as perfectly normal. So who is normal and how to tell? Should we start to assume that every man we meet could be presenting as normal but actually a pervert? In terms of protecting themselves, wouldn't women be safer if they took that approach? I'm not saying it's feasible. But it does seem like it's true.

I'd encourage any victim of sexual assault to report it. But, at the same time, I'm actually okay being accused of having a double standard on this specific point. Men's and women's experience of sexual violence (perpetrated by the opposite sex) are so vastly different. Most women have some fear of it at least at some point in their lives. Most men have no experience or fear of it at all, I'd say.

Did you enjoy that ? Was it nice being sexist and having a go at men because they are men

Do you get the concept that he recruited the participants, could have told them absolutely anything then brought them not to some random place but into his home

Turn it around, if you had a fantasy of watching your husband being with another woman in a subdued or submissive way, it would be you who recruited the women, you who would describe the scenario and you who would give them the instructions

You don't care about that woman your sexist remarks make that blatantly clear

And for a bit if balance

It's not all women who murder the 10,000 babies a year in Ireland but it is always women stick that in your craw

There was an AMA on reddit a few weeks ago of one guy who allegedly was a homicide detective and also a certified clinical psycopath (ASPD), really interesting responses anyway, about the basic lack of emotion etc. - without digressing too much into that person in particular, it would seem to reason that other people with ASPD find themselves well situated in these types of jobs, the military etc. where emotional baggage can be a real impediment, I'm sure there's more of them and that they aren't all Dexter Morgans.

Here it was:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1epopwz/i_am_a_psychopath_and_a_homicide_detective_ama/

There”s way more than 13 weirdos in Ireland.

Your maths is wrong.

It's less than 4 for a population of 5.1m.