French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

The distance from Mazan or Paris is important in terms of the getting a handle on the scale.

If all the men who raped the victim are within 50km of Mazan; then that's 50-60 men out of a population of 500,000.

If they are all within 100km then that's 50-60 men out of a population of 4,000,000. Both population according to chatgpt.

All local or mostly local means nothing in terms of quantifying the scale of what is one of the horrific things I've ever read.

When we have the names and locations of all the perpetrators we'll have some idea of the size of the pool the husband selected from.

Given the scale of this, the ease of using the web to carry it out, I'd be surprised if there aren't more. Maybe not as prolific but there must be others.

It really is hard to wrap your head around the horror of what happened to this woman. There must be a better way to prosecute cases than making her sits through weeks of this.

My work brings me into all types of courts civil, criminal, coroner and I frequently observe victims or their families having to sit through some pretty difficult evidence. There's a atmosphere/tension that's hard to describe; but it's usually for an hour or two or at most a couple of days. The sheer enormity of this thing is hard to comprehend.

But you don't seem to have an actual point

I mean he targeted a certain crowd looking for this

If he hadn't done that he'd be have been rumbled

They let him film and take pics like

That is grade a stupid

It is a miracle no one ratted him out

Help me out here: the NYT reported 83 suspects, and that 50 have been charged with rape, and that the daughter stated 72. The article that was linked to here in the thread said

police counted 92 rapes committed by 72 men, of whom 51 were formally identified. 

Something doesn't math out here, where are you getting that 30 didn't rape her, genuine question I want to clear up this math as it shouldn't be controversial: 50 charged (NYT), 51 identified (Telegraph) edit: 1 didn't rape the victim, he instead is charged raping his own wife, and then 72, and 83, then, 11 didn't rape her. Not 30. No pointed argument about that, just trying to clarify the exact numbers as it does not appear to add up to what is known. I don't recall reporting linked to in this thread reporting 30 as a figure and not seeing it in either of these 2 articles.

Thread's been over this ask about why they didn't go to the police: 1) none of us know, the courts involved may get to the bottom of that, 2) none of us again know if they weren't involved in various other sex crimes, the husband particularly is an edge case even among rapists but we know he is charged in other rapes of his own spanning decades, and was upskirting women with cameras, etc. etc., it seems entirely reasonable to assume that these 11-30 individuals were not simply fantasy-curious innocents and 3) had already likely crossed the criminal boundary through the means and methods by which they were recruited by the husband, even if they did not go through with raping her (or they feared they had already committed a crime or didn't want to be investigated) 4) We don't even know what their reasons for not raping her were, it could have ranged from as you suggest (and they allege in their legal defenses) 'this is wrong, I'm out,' to 'actually she's not my type' to 'this feels like a trap' etc. etc.

The investigation of the website was "across Europe" without anyone yet telling us the full scope of where these men in this particular case all hailed from, that is the bounds of where our knowledge is about the case:

He met most of the men, the investigating judge’s report stated, in a chat room on a notorious, unmoderated French website implicated in more than 23,000 police cases in France alone from 2021 to 2024. It was finally shut down, and its owner arrested, in June after an 18-month investigation stretching across Europe.

The chat room where most of the men met Mr. Pelicot was called “a son insu,” which means “without their knowledge.”

I note the chat room wasn't "without her knowledge, Mazan edition" etc. and it's not as though people who speak French are bound to live within France, as stated some of the men are truck drivers, soldiers, tradesmen etc. and travel for work, especially in the EU, is hardly uncommon such as for trades, I knew people in Clarecastle who flew home on the weekends, but made a killing flying out to the UK and France etc. for road-related construction and engineering during the Celtic Tiger, flights being cheap and fast, and their work paying quite well.

We agree that the case is shocking, these men are monsters, and quite a lot of them are local, but I would not go so far as to agree with your initial assessments - that it's "probably the same everywhere" and that this case is not some "Little Britain" outlier:

He also didn't have to search too far to recruit the others - it was all within a fairly small zone. So unless there's some reason to think that particular small town and its surroundings make up some sort of "Little Britain" incestuous village - which AFAIK there isn't, then it's probably the same everywhere. Which means there are a lot of men living normal lives who are eager to rape an unconscious woman as long as her husband isn't going to punch their lights out.




The nature of this case is highly unorthodox compared to reporting on rapes I have seen across my lifetime (which does include the world over, reports of sex rings, child sex rings, human trafficking etc. but this case is still something of an oddity how it went about). A sinister motive, with a found opportunity through the internet chatroom, and as discussed, many of these men were "working class and middle class," people with their own money, and means, it would not surprise me that these men could travel far for the opportunity the husband was presenting to them.

We would even agree that there are, given the insight the case has offered, more individual men out in the world, of status, who have the means, and the motivation and may or may not have the opportunity to travel for consensual or non consensual encounters, I think it would be fair to say there is at least one matching that description in most communities - truck driver, soldier, priest, handyman, any walk of life, the walk of life likely doesn't factor to their criminally deviant disposition (though in some cases I argue like eg. priests, again, they seek out positions of social trust as a means to the motive).

Where we diverge is I think it's a stretch to say these kind of rape sex rings happen everywhere though as your above statement would imply in this thread as being 'in every or nearly every village' there being an "incestuous" sex ring underbelly either happening or just waiting to happen if one husband gets on the current form of seedy craigslist and asks if people wanna have a nonconsensual go of their wife.

Where do you get 30%?

Said without evidence then and dismissed without evidence. If this is your '3 in 10' claim from the OP, which cites the rapist husband as the source,

(about 3 in every 10 men refused, according to the principal accused)

I'm going to dismiss that with evidence, as the reporting makes clear the suspect list was 83 from the trove of evidence, the recordings made of all the encounters. I also wouldn't trust what the husband says as far as I could throw his house.

Over the course of their investigation, the police found more than 20,000 videos and photographs, many of them dated and labeled, in an electronic folder titled “abuse.” The timeline they built began in 2011. The list of suspects grew to 83.

Said without evidence, dismissed without evidence.

Others have been misled by your OP citing the perp's claim of 3 in 10, extrapolating that to 30%, which then got confused as 30 across the thread in a warped game of telephone from all I can see. This is why I asked you to help clarify the numbers without any controversy, except you see the need to make even clarifying these numbers a point of trivial controversy. "Something doesn't math out here, where are you getting that 30 didn't rape her, genuine question I want to clear up this math as it shouldn't be controversial"

I think you may misunderstand what a psychopath is. It is not generally a person who spends their days dreaming about violence and carrying it out whenever the opportunity arises.
It is more that they act only in their own interest, and will manipulate or abuse you, or anyone else who comes into their field of action, to get whatever they want and regardless of the consequences for others. Not every psychopath is physically violent – it is more that you are a fly on the wall, or a snail on the ground of their existence and they will swat you away or trample you into the earth without a thought for your well-being. They can easily climb the ladder of success because they don’t care about causing a trail of destruction and devastation in other people’s lives; look at Netanyahu’s behaviour for an absolutely extreme example in today’s world, or consider the incompetent co-worker who manages to sweet-talk the boss into giving them something they deserve less than others, and often at the expense of others.

How did you find the list?

Who is on Facebook anymore

"Haha"!!!

Do you think that you should be looking for gotcha moments on this thread?

Do you really think that you scoring an internet point should be the purpose of this thread?

The victim here has suffered in the most horrific manner, that should be the focus of the thread.

He found the list by doing what I told him to do

I mean duh

Not a single one. What are the odds of that?

You seem to have severe difficulty understanding simple enough concepts. These men - who self-selected somewhat by choosing to seek out and interact with pervert chatrooms - conspired with the husband in his scheme. You'll need to ask someone familiar with French law, but under Irish or English law they could be guilty as accomplices for other rapes even if they did not go through with their "own".

It is quite likely that there was some communication between the husband and rapists (or would-be rapists) before he invited them to his home. By encouraging him they would be guilty as accomplices. Therefore equal in the eyes of the law (Irish law at least) with the husband with regard to crimes he committed with their approval or encouragement.

Well so no problem then.

We've now expanded the radius of the crime to 917 km from the information we have from just the first handful of perps we've looked up whom were charged. Well over 70 million people live in that sphere. Might as well cut out non-French speaking areas out of that though, split the difference and just say if they'd come from Lille they'd come from anywhere to carry out the crime, if not from within France (68 Million) from wherever they hailed from and had access to that website that was shut down.

Again jumping the gun somewhat, as you are prone to do

If they did think it was sketchy then all they had to do was pickup a payfone

What payphone.

Not a rebuttal. Quit scoffing.