"God heals" better than insulin - 8 year old murdered by father.

Life would be better if religion had no place in it.

Horrible heartbreaking story.

Not so mad. In America Christian Scientists preach the same thing. They even have Christian Science 'hospitals' covered by medical insurance which basically 'treat' sick people with prayer. Val Kilmer is a Christian Scientist and when he developed throat cancer originally went down this course. Eventually his wife persuaded him to undergo conventional therapy but he still credits the Christian Science part as what cured him. It's long been known that young children of Christian Scientists often die of routine childhood illness due to failure to use antibiotics, and in some parts of America this is not illegal.

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/06/christian-science-church-medicine-death-horror-of-my-fathers-last-days

I think they may have been Jehovahs witnesses. They will refuse blood donations and marrow transplants. In Ireland doctors can legally intervene on behalf of children, but must respect the wishes of adults, which can make it more difficult to treat patients with life threatening anaemia (say as a result of cancer).

Jehovah's Witnesses sometimes refuse blood transfusions and the courts rightfully intervene when there are children involved but not always

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42002996

Did God not give the people free will to become scientists and invent insulin injections?

The group spent the last day of the trial giving individual closing statements, arguing that they were entitled to their religious belief that Elizabeth would be resurrected and therefore they cannot be convicted of her murder or manslaughter, because she is “only sleeping”.

Oh do fúck all the way off ye vile scum.

The cases in that story you linked to were both adults (ages 27 and 46) who refused blood transfusions for themselves, not their children.

One would assume they'll obviously be found guilty as they freely admit withholding the insulin.

I don’t think that’s obvious Flaneur -

Justice Martin Burns adjourned the case late on Friday, to consider his verdict. He told the 14 accused not to expect a finding of guilty or not guilty this month or next month, because he must reach a verdict for each of the defendants individually.

But is this where we end up with complete religious freedom? What's more important, the laws of the land, the laws of the here and now? Or the laws of your religion, the laws of the afterlife? One is arguably more permanent than the other.

Yes, and there’s no avoiding it, precisely because the same people who believe their religious beliefs are more important or powerful than any laws created by man, or punishments doled out by man, even when they’re faced with the reality of being treated no different to anyone else - then they’ll claim they’re being persecuted for their beliefs, as opposed to being put on trial for murder. It’s an attempted get-out, a distraction from the reality of facing the consequences of their actions. Each and every one of them knows the part they played in causing this tragedy, but the law must be applied fairly and without prejudice, as that’s the only way the law can function or have any legitimacy.

The rational thinking is still there, it’s just the individual who is religious is working off a different foundation for evidence than the individual who is working off a different foundation for evidence is all:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/11/05/11-times-god-intervened-directly-in-ben-carsons-life-according-to-ben-carson/

The dumbest of all beliefs is people who believe the world and humanity would be better without religion.

Human beings put people on pedestals. It’s a tendency across all human history and in every corner of the world. There are leaders and followers who will believe anything. Regardless of rational thought or scientific evidence. It’s quite the paradox.
charisma , halo effect, whatever it overrides everything else.

It's really mad though.....I feel like a different species sometimes

I'm sure I believed lots things of things that were wrong...maybe still do from small things like how to pronounce a word to perhaps much bigger things

But when presented with actual real world evidence to the contrary I like to think I'm capable of coming around to another view or opinion (even if slowly)

BBut some of the stuff people insist on to the exclusion of any evidence, rational thought process, argument really makes me scratch my head sometimes....like I said, I feel like somehow even though we are humans they come from a different universe

Physios in Ireland are by and large unqualified, especially compared to those in the US. Most jurisdictions in the US require Masters in Physiotherapy, many hours of overseen experience and board certification. In Ireland, pay for a shingle and hang it out the door and hope you don't screw up.

Not sure where you're getting that from - Physiotherapists in Ireland have to be registered and have a pin number which they can only get by having a 4 year degree in PT from a recognised university/3rd level institution. Non Irish train physios (outside EU) have to prove their qualifications are up to standard and may have to do additional education/clinical practice. Irish physios can work in the US - and do - as long as they pass the state board exams. Nobody can "hang a shingle" - you might be confusing Physiotherapy with some other complementary therapies, but I assure you Physiotherapists in Ireland are fully qualified, it's one of the highest points on the CAO.

Each and every one of these crazy bastards should be locked up. I hope they don’t have any other children under their supervision.

Read articles on this type of madness before:

https://time.com/archive/6914048/when-parents-call-god-instead-of-the-doctor/

But definitely the first time I have heard the parents believing the corpse they caused was actually still alive. That's some deep mental illness right there.

USA now requires doctorate in physical therapy plus passing exams. Ireland, a bachelor's and off you go. One can tell if you have PT in both places. Much higher quality in the US. A bachelor's from a low ranked school in Ireland is laughable, even TCD is barely in the top 100 worldwide

So they are qualified then. My niece is doing a 4 year course in college for it. Unless your saying a bachelors degree is not worth the paper it's written on and everyone needs a doctorate to have a qualification

Yea, because famously religion makes everything better. That fiver you put into the collection box of a sunday allows you feel better about being a **** person all week.

The requirement in the US is bachelor's plus 3-4 years additional study.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Physical_Therapy#:~:text=A%20Doctor%20of%20Physical%20Therapy,doctorate%20degree%20for%20professional%20practice.

Pretty sure thats a Tim Minchin joke.

Doesn't everything take advantage of under educated people then? Should we get rid of the legal system too? And political entities will surely have to go.

Is it not very patronising to assume people without what, a third level certificate, have been taken advantage of because they find comfort, solace, and joy in belonging to a religious community? What do you intend on replacing that with when you take it away from them?

Or the plastic from the container it sat in.

ive no hatred of religion, its just a pointless pastime leveraged by those in power to have control over people and profit from them, on one level its a hobby like chess, badminton, equestrian sports and many others that ive no hatred of but no time for either, and on another its a massive pointless waste of time.

Some people take it far to serious,( probably safe to assume you are one of them)are unable to step back and see the issues with it, ignore the massive contradictions in its ‘teachings’ and fully accept everything thats said.