French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

They probably sent him abuse images. Many of them had convictions that could be verified too.

Sorry what? He was confirming people convictions

Easy enough to fake a few photos, this is again the PO po sé are talking about

2.21bn people use Facebook on a daily basis in 2024. So quite a few.

https://backlinko.com/facebook-users

Do you have any advice for how men might identify these “far from ordinary” men?

Because they certainly looked and acted like ordinary men in all the rest of their lives.

Considering your original thread title……

Well look. Your opinions and attitudes regarding inherent qualities of men are shared by the populations and authorities in a tiny minority of countries. Those countries realise that it is perfectly natural for any man to want to rape or sexually assault any lone female. Ergo, if that happens, the woman must be the one to be punished. This is logical as the man is only acting like any ordinary man naturally would. Societal norms are generally based on what is acceptable and ordinary behaviour.

So @volchitsa let's bring in the burqua so that women do not tempt the men, forcing things to their natural and expected outcome. Women should not be allowed to leave their houses without a male relative chaperone because it's not as if the other men could be blamed for do what an ordinary man would do.

I'm with you

(Well not really, but you do definitely share a common logic with populations of those countries ………. the only difference is that they have implemented a "logical" solution given the starting point of their beliefs.)

In this case they aren't pedos, well done of them might be

In a pedo ring, someone inside gets caught rats

I mean selling drugs is illegal but some how

All these drug dealers and they getting away with it and acting with impunity. Isn't it mad that they aren't being ratted out by the women who go to them. If they were, then they would be stopped dealing their deadly products.

As I said, we can only conclude that all women are secret hard drug enthusiasts.

Can you dumb it down for me

That’s not per this thread at all. Per this thread, instead of the usual crap of suggesting women and girls should be responsible for preventing men from raping them, the question is how do we prevent men from committing rape?

That question elicits radio silence, until a way was found to turn the question around on the OP and attack them for whether or not local means within a specific region, when the initial interactions between all these men took place on a forum that isn’t bound by geographical limitations - it’s how they found other men who were just like them, that they shared a common interest in committing rape and being able to avoid the consequences of their actions.

The reason people are offended by the question is because they take it as a slight of their ability to judge people’s character - that no man they know would commit rape. The point is that they don’t know, their judgment is based upon trust, not fact. It’s that trust which is exploited by men in order to commit rape in the belief that there will be no negative repercussions for their actions. The idea that they could be fooled is what’s more abhorrent to people than the idea that they aren’t actually as good a judge of character as they believe themselves to be - their ego is hurt when it transpires that a man they know has been committing rape without their knowledge.

It’s why in spite of the fact that most men who commit rape are known to their victims, it’s the victims who face the most severe judgment for their perceived lack of good judgment in that they failed to follow all the instructions they’d been given to prevent themselves from being raped. Some of that practical advice’ was also doled out in yet another recent thread where women and girls are advised to carry illegal weapons and become ninjas overnight in order to protect themselves, whereas the responsibility for who commits rape is, and should always be, on the men who commit rape.

That’s what the OP was looking to address, and looking for advice from men as to how to prevent men from committing rape, by having people really think about the men who are committing rape - they’re not ‘other men who we don’t know so not our problem’, they’re men we DO know, which is precisely the problem, but coming up with answers to that question is infinitely more difficult than simply shifting the responsibility onto the girls and women to protect themselves from being raped by men.

It is, but the difference between the way they’re being approached is that volchista started a discussion on the issue she wanted to have people think about. Where’s yours? As opposed to dragging this discussion even further off topic than the previous thread-**** about the distance between men who commit rape, or whatever shìt that was 😒

Do they just take a notion to go the police? Or do they rat AFTER they’ve been caught?

If you had say 100 heroin addicts in a medium size town you'd say there's a heroin problem

@One eyed Jack why should the vast vast majority of men have any more insight into stopping rapists than the vast vast majority of women would have? In the context of the thread should we be asking French people in general how to stop rapists?

Unless someone is knowingly associating with rapists, they are "other men who we don't know" and if someone they do associate with is, unknown to them, a rapist then they don't really know that person. Either way they can't offer any more insight or advice on how prevent someone from committing rape than any other man, woman, French or non-French person can.

I've spent quite a bit of time over the last few days on Google scholar looking at successful prevention strategies for rape and the like.

While there is risk reduction steps that can help reduce risk at say dating/early relationship level; that I've heard before from DRCC and others, I'm not seeing a lot of wisdom on how to prevent the type of rape seen here and within long term relationships in general.

If you look at this case in particular, it's the cunning way these rapist hide that make it so difficult to spot and eradicate. The likelihood here is that the last thing he did before every rape was prepare his wife a nice drink(presuming that's how he administered the sedative; which she thought was a loving act when it was the polar opposite. He probably discussed here gynaecological issues with her while pretending to help.

Maybe people smarter than me can point to red flags in early relationships that point to a predisposition to control/abuse but other than that I'm pretty out of ideas. The in relationship rapist is by nature going to be a master manipulator and is likely playing a different game from the get go.

With all this evidence that it CAN be done, can you point to a country where this has been implemented and has zero rapes??

I never said anything about reducing anything. I said there is no way to STOP all rapes. Your buddy counterclaimed the there was evidence that it could be done.

“That is indeed a simple answer, and yet there’s plenty of evidence which suggests that it CAN be done.”

Yeah, again, deliberately being obtuse. How do you think you can flip a point against drug dealers by defending their victims?

It would be like me coming on here and defending the husband by saying "rape victims don't hurt anyone". It's bizarre.

Regardless, you appear fixated on an analogy you clearly didn't understand. Women going to a drug dealer for their fix are unlikely to report him for dealing drugs. Perverts going to another pervert to rape someone are unlikely to report him for doing what they planned together. That those women don't report the dealer cannot be reasonably extrapolated to some argument that all women are guilty of supporting heroin dealing. Or that it is a problem which other women need to fix. but you'll happily do the same extrapolation for the perverts to other men.

The thing is guys, if you aren't happy with the men ba$tards in your own day-to-day lives, that's unfortunate, but it is something you can likely change. No need to hate half the population over it and allow it to seethe and fester in your own lives.

There's one big difference between the two groups that undermines your analogy: drug addicts in desperate need of a fix are probably not renowned for their rational / moral behaviour. We don't know if the rapists in this horrible case were also drug addicts, but if they are as " normal" as it appears, then at least the 30 who said " no thanks" but took no further action are guilty of facilitating the abuse, and have no morals.

The reason you are deliberately trying to mischaracterize and create a straw-man is that you have no actual argument in response and it is just annoying you and you are frustrated that you cannot answer it. So instead you are trying to create the strawman that you can answer. The more you do it, the more it highlights the fact.