Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

I like that word "resting" There is a lot of money "resting" in Ireland and most of it belongs to the taxpayers not the politicos and their quangos

In case you are not doing so already, put your bottles and cans loose in the green bin. Everything should be loose. But since DRS the bin workers are looking out for bags of cans and bottles. Your residence would be identified as an easy mark, if you are putting them into bags. If you have no objection the them getting your money, put the bag on top of the rest of your waste. If you don't want them to have your money, make sure to crush them well.

"Please place items in your recycling bin clean, dry and loose.

Rinse any food or liquid from your packaging in the kitchen and let them dry, empty and close any bottles from liquids used around the home, separate items and place them loosely in the bin."

Yeah recycling goes in lose. However if they weren't what's the issue if workers take them. They're welcome to them?

Went to a machine this morning in the local Supervalu - I wasn'd doing any shopping so it was an extra trip on the road, buring diesel, adding to the traffic etc, as my "DRS" bag at home was full and despite wasting significant amounts of water to "clean them" was beginning to pong a bit.

Now, we have reduced the amount of drinks we buy due to the additional price increases that producers have added to their products since February of this year - taking advantage of comsumer confusion (there have been significant price increases on some brands) so it takes a few (usually around 3) weeks to fill the bag.

Anyway, get to the DRS machine - its full (obviously not cleared since yesterday) ask a member of staff if they can do something about it, they are very obliging and it's back up and running within ten minutes. Machine then decides to reject toally 1 in 10 or so of the items despite me having paid a DRS on those items (I would expect at this point ALL PET and ALU being sold in Ireland has had a deposit on it). Throw them back in the bag - go into the shop and cash my receipt.

Drove home again threw the rejects in the recycle bin.

An fairly standard story I think at this point about the scheme more than 6 months in.

In the last six months have also had the opportunity to use the airport with the family - getting charged DRS with no real option to recover it. Same with some restaurants and coffeeshops etc - requirement is to take the item home with you which may not always be possible, if you want your DRS back - I think. No improvement on the situation really from before March.

Now there is no doubt that those who engaged with recycling in past have at least tried to engage with this but there are a hell of a lot of people (that I can see) that never engaged in the past and still arent.

I am seeing this in educational institutions where students are using the nearest bin for throwning bottles and cans in etc which is a massive percentage of items sold.

As I said, as a family we have reduced the amount of items we buy in these categories - so we are doing our bit for the environment but let it not be thought that this scheme has anything to do with the environment. All that needs to happen for people do buy less of these items is just add another tax on top.

It's easier to find a glass hammer than get a manual return currently, nevermind for "non-compliant" items.

DPS stands for deposit return scheme, it is impossible to reclaim your deposit in the airport. If you cannot get your deposit back then it's not a deposit, and calling it thus is surely fraud by any reasonable interpretation.

The scheme needs to be taken out of the airport and the deposits collected need to go back to the exchequer. Whoever signed off on it in the airport needs to be jailed for defrauding the public and travelers.

Mr Price best chance at a manual return if anyone wants to claim the win!

None of the DRS money is controlled by politicians or quangos.

I know it was talked about in NI, but given our recycling is all collected as part of the rates, I don't know how much of an appreciable difference having a DRS would make to recycling rates here, and therefore what's the incentive for one to be introduced…. I can just see the nightmare now where a completely different scheme is adopted though, leaving border people with a big headache (a bit like needing to have two tesco clubcards - sigh…)

I suppose an all Island scheme would be the best solution.

Probably not too easy to get agreement.

What do you think ?

Ah sure, feel good for doing your bit for the environment and donating to the ReTurn CEO and Board of Directors wages!

DRS is a quango with appointees in place.Dressed up as a recycling scheme to please the greenery and the mandarins in the eu.

It's absolutely not a quango, it's a CLG.

https://www.thinkbusiness.ie/articles/return-irish-recycling-new-era-podcast/#:~:text=The%20company%20behind%20the%20scheme,%2C%20trading%20as%20Re%2Dturn.

It's not dressed up as anything.

It’s too time consuming now.

Really long queues of people with 6 black sacks loading a machine one bottle at a time.

It's still NOT a Quango.

If you want to propose a different structure possibly under direct Government funding and control please carry on.

They should get on with it and install a few bulk machines for the black sack people.

The shop based RVMs are not really suitable for returning large numbers of containers.

Pick ups have zero value. They're invariably crushed by cars or tractors. I pay for a green bin to get rid of them.

I fill a box in my kitchen and when full transfer the bottles and cans to a plastic bag and leave it in the boot of the car

I get a coffee in an Applegreen every day with a machine so can use that but the smell at it is unbelievable

Don't know if its stale piss or beer from the cans returned and it also seems to reject a lot of stuff that gets accepted at other machines

The local Aldi is very good, a big machine at the underground car park that takes everything first time and the stuff can go in any way

I've never made a trip especially to go to a machine and I assume that most people that drive are the same

My kids are still getting takeaways delivered with cans not in the system so I don't know where the take away gets the cans or if they charge the 15 cent

Some strange assumptions here.

Re-turn have shown utter contempt to people who raised complaints about the scheme, including people who take deliveries and have mobility issues. They haven't shown the slightest hint they give a damn about people unable to complete manual returns.

Similarly, the most plausible explanation for why the council hasn't reported any breaches is that they aren't doing any checks in the places likely to be selling them.
How many actions are taken by councils against dog fouling, and the evidence for that is staring people in the face daily.

You can't read anything into 400 million returns. We don't know how many items were sold. Maybe there's been an increase in sales this summer with all the summer concerts. I think we need at least 3 years to judge if 400 million returns is good or not.
Isn't that what you posted a few posts back when people were making unfavourable % comparisons and the gombeen in chief at Return said likewise?
You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

"By now, most people are probably familiar with the sight of a RVM (or reverse-vending machine). The primary appeal of the RVMs is that they are fun to use, because what’s not to love about putting your cans onto a conveyor belt and watching them be whisked away all while being paid for the privilege?"

What absolute bollocks. 🤣

Yes, it is either a matter of relief - RVM working and items that should have been accepted were accepted.

Or frustration… big queues or RVM machines busted or items rejected for no reason.

You must lead an extremely dull existence if a Re-Turn machine was a "source of wonderment".

You could tell the kids not to pay deposits on cans which are not in the system.

If the takeaway is charging them they are simply being ripped off.

Yes, I've said it many times on the thread, it is worse than a quango, it is a scamgo.

Just to be 100% accurate, having had a quick re-read on the actual law, there is some limited accountability directly to the Minister allowed for in it, in that they have to provide the Minister with any information requested and there is a provision for revoking their approval if they don't comply with the T&Cs or meet their targets. So at least hopefully at some stage in the future a Minister will ask where all the leftover millions are!

I have to agree, I'd be far more comfortable with it if it was more like the plastic bag levy and the surplus unreclaimed deposits went directly to the state.