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Brics - Economic co-operation group

  • 02-09-2024 2:33pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭


    Looks like a few more global south countries officially applying in the run up to this years summit. A non political, non military group based on encouraging economic advancement with each other.

    Those who have officially applied this year in yellow. Looks like Cuba, Nicaragua, Algeria, Nigeria, Senegal, DRC, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Khazakstan, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,119 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    BRICSTCNANSDBAKIMT just doesn't have the same ring to it.

    Although, if you move the letters around, you can get "ANTI BBC CRANKS MIDST".



  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Also Turkey. I can't say that I blame them, as repeatedly the EU especially France, has let them know that they don't want them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Officially applied to what ?

    It is a meaningless, vapid, pseudo-entity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    So you’re not sh1tting brics about this potential economic powerhouse made up of petty dictators and potential basket cases who were meant to take over the world at least a year ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,442 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    BRICSTCNANSDBAKIMT

    Maybe in Russian it does lol.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Putlers league of w@nkers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Given Turkey's strong trade links with Europe and the Middle East it looks a win win for them. Given it's location it looks like a ideal place for manufacturers to set up in. Boost to the economy, extra jobs, manufacturers happy and European consumers get good priced goods.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Given Turkey is in the Customs Union, if BRICs actually meant anything they wouldn't be able to join it. Literally the only reason they can join it is because it is completely meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Trumps team are preparing penalties and sanctions for countries who trade in currencies outside of the USD.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It was a nice idea until Russia fucked it all up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    Its basically a group of countries who don't want to be lectured by the Five Eyes. I think it's perfectly reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The petro-dollar is the method by which the USA dominates the world. Create a viable alternative to the petro-dollar and all America has left is a military it can no longer finance. The BRICs is a plan to remove America from the world stage.

    Don't believe me ? Watch what happens whenever any country proposes selling oil in anything other than dollars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Wake me up when influencers are getting paid equivalent of $100k a week in rouble or renminbi to spread disinformation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Its 5 countries that either hate each other, or have nothing in common. its not a trading bloc. Sure Brazil is on the far side of world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Heh just found it funny the neo nazi peddlers refused to be paid in roubles for their propaganda operations and Russians had to resort to laundering money into dollars as per last weeks FBI indictments

    In the same week that the C in BRICKS is blocking all bank transfers to R



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭Lirange



    This is a good assessment of the BRICS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Official confirmation of proposals for consideration by the head of the task force on financial services of the BRICS Business Council.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    And here we are thinking that it's hard to get the EU to agree on anything……



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    They can’t even cooperate on the most basic of things, China obviously is not prepared to risk its economy and be cut off from majority of its exports, neither is India and Turkey who want to make best of both worlds, but if ever put in a position of having to choose like China did it won’t go well for Russia and Iran

    https://re-russia.net/review/765/

    Russian financial market has reached a state of final abnormality! “Re-Russia” reports:

    “The final macro-abnormality: by the end of the summer, American sanctions have cut off the Russian financial market not only from the dollar and the euro but also from the yuan.The idea of ​​the Russian authorities to use the yuan as a surrogate reserve currency instead of the dollar and the euro is collapsing under the influence of American sanctions. Having assured at the beginning of the summer that sanctions against the Moscow Currency Exchange would not change the actual state of affairs on the currency market, the Central Bank is now forced to admit that the Russian currency market is segmented and this circumstance affects macroeconomic conditions.

    The restrictions imposed this summer on the Moscow Exchange made the yuan circulating there toxic for most foreign banks, including Chinese ones. Russia has an “internal” yuan, which can be used, for example, to hedge currency risks (because the Central Bank recognizes it), but it is almost useless for foreign economic transactions.

    Demand for the "domestic" yuan at trades has slumped, and its exchange rate to the dollar and euro differs from the international one.Meanwhile, the interbank market is experiencing an acute crisis of yuan liquidity. Rates on overnight yuan loans first became double-digit, and then triple-digit. The deficit is structural in nature and is unlikely to be overcome in the near future, market participants warn. In general, there are enough yuan in the financial system, but liquidity is concentrated among large players, and those market participants who do not receive currency from exporters will not have enough of it.

    Thus, the Russian financial market has reached a state of final abnormality. The solutions found, such as sending payments to China through intermediaries or using cryptocurrencies, are only temporary crutches that are unable to replace market institutions and procedures that increase costs and create imbalances that are fraught with new problems in the future.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭Shoog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    M-bridge platform passes to advanced stage in testing with BIS, Hong Kong, China, UAE and Thailand. Saudi was added last month as a participant along with 24 observer institutions. It will be 24/7, instant and cheaper than the current system.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭hometruths




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Bunch of countries about to find out why letting China dump on your markets like they done to US and Europe is a recipe for a disaster that will boomerang back onto their economies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Nearly 30 new official applications submitted according to Brazil

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,119 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    New applications to join the group of emerging countries include Cuba and Turkey, as well as several Southeast Asian nations.

    Is there an international organisation that Turkey won't join? The FOMO is strong with them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%27s_membership_of_international_organizations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭techman1


    JUst shows how far Brazil has fallen behind led by that idiot Lula. Brazil should already be an advanced country long ago. It has experienced industrialisation and modernity long before most of the other bric contenders but has squandered it again and again usually by leftist corruption and incompetence. It would be more productive for Brazil to be teaming up with its neighbours like Argentina, Chile ,Mexico and Colombia to form their own bloc. They should forget about russia, China and the rest.

    "Brazil Is the country of the future and always will be"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I won't start sh1tting brics just yet.

    Post edited by silliussoddius on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Brics is a long term play , if you were to look at the globe in demographic terms they are the future in the next 50 to 100 years and it would be obvious to push for an alternative to the $

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I doubt it. These countries have nothing in common. Not economically, politically, geographically or demographically. There is no incentive for them to co-operate.

    The term "BRICS" was only used to refer to up-and-coming economies in the early 2000s. Brazil and India made marginal gains since that time. Russia and South Africa are regressing economically. Only China has really grown and become a mostly first-world country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I am noticing that a lot of the BRICs fans seem to have a bit of history of siding with Russia on the Ukraine invasion, often outright justifying. Sure half the reason Russia are pushing it is because their international reputation is currently in tatters and their trade routes are vastly diminished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I think part of the point is that they dont intend to lecture each other, its just an organisation to assist trade and development. If I remember correctly one element is that they arent supposed to sanction other members.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Brought to you by the same people claiming 'we need to start teaching Chinese in schools now, because China is the future!', we'll just see how that pans out….



  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭Hodger


    On the subject of Brics and China.

    In a few months time we will have a general election.

    For anyone thinking of voting for Clare Daly just please be aware that Clare is very much pro china ; pro brics and pro replacing the dollar as a world reserve currency.

    She said so herself in a video where she praised 75 years of rule of the chinese communist party; just so people in her electoral area are aware of who and what Clare really is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Well I'd say it's more useful than French or Spanish day to day. Far more likely to meet a Chinese person with poor English than someone from the continent. Also handy for reading the instructions on those dodgy electronics from Temu



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    She looks like she just saw Mick Wallace pick his nose.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    I see no problems there. China has a FAR softer hand with how it conducts busniess on the global stage.

    The US goes in and destroys country's economies and political systems and installs their own puppets. Whereas China works with the locals, builds them infrastructure and makes deals accordingly.

    I, for one, welcome our new Red overlords!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    not just China, India is a dark horse here too , not that one country supplants the US by itself but the collective energy of the others shift the centre of gravity. It only took a 100 years or so for the british to peak and crack, now it looks like the US wont be able to project power like it used to within a generation meanwhile Europe ie us are in a downward curve too.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Thanks for your thoughtful contribution to the debate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭Hodger


    Some of the dissident groups in Pakistan might take a different view as just this week there was another targeted attack on chinese workers there in a line of attacks over the past year.

    One of the issues I take with Clare and people like her is constant double standards for example Clare will constantly Critize the US and condemn Israel in the ongoing current conflict over the last year.

    However Clare does not dare Condemn Russia,s action in the Ukraine in the same way she condemns Israel.

    In that video Clare appeared in celebrating 75 years of the chinese communist party Clare omitted quite a bit.

    Clare omitted the massacre in tiananmen square in 1989.

    Clare omitted the Imprisonment of dissidents into re education camps.

    Clare omitted forced organ harvesting of political prisoners.

    Clare omits and fails to condemn the ongoing issue of organized snuff animal torture videos on chinese social media over the last year or two.

    Because no laws exist in china to prevent such snuff torture when a society lacks such laws and no person faces any sort of punishment one can draw conclusions that it is an uncivilized society.

    In short Clare Daly and people with her worldview America = bad and evil vs this view they seem to hold Russia China and others can never do any wrong; I draw that conclusion from her for what she omits and fails to condemn.

    Here and the longer term I have a deep distrust of the ccp and their long end goals; while I do have my own critisms on US foreign policy in the overall end Id take a US led order over a chinese ccp led order any day .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Mandarin immersion school list

    Please find below a list of current programs as of February 1, 2024. There are now 394 schools that I’m aware of in the United States that have Mandarin immersion programs.

    You might be surprised how many in the USA already attend schools of this nature.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    While I'm not of the of the 'anything is better than the current US world domination' brigade, I do think a shake up is in order. Overdue really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    If a country has a monopoly on something that has been used for decades and brought big benefits to that country it is stupid to weaponize it for your advantage.

    I can think of at least 3 occasions lately the US publicly threatened China to kick them off the dollar system if they did not do what they want.

    Do you think the world does not take notice of this, of course they do.For all they know it could be them next week.

    Like you say it is overdue and if an alternative is wanted and it is cheaper and faster it will happen eventually. After all, in this day and age it is not rocket science to improve something that was invented 80 years ago.

    Imagine somewhere like Cuba hooking up with half the world, trading without any hassle and big countries investing with them. In 10 years they could be like Las Vegas or something for all we know instead of being a global outcast like they have for the last 60 years.

    No doubt the monopoly is not over the moon about it but not a lot they can do about it really, times change ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Speaking of Pakistan

    https://propakistani.pk/2024/10/02/pakistan-signs-first-ever-barter-trade-deal-with-russia/


    bartering with mandarins and chickpeas

    Perhaps the anti dollar pro bricks brigade who would themselves NOT accept their own salary/pensions in any of the BRICKS currencies explain why none of the BRICKS currencies were used here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Dupe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The dream if BRICS, to become the next Vegas. And if a failed state like Cuba cN become a Vegas then what could other countries do? Wasn’t one of the reasons for the “paradise” revolution was that Havana was basically a Vegas for the rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The dream of BRICS is to go back to 19th century types of empires and colonialism as is being illustrated by wars Russia and Iran have started and China and India are pouring oil into

    Where slavery, miserable existence, corruption, genocide and religious fundamentalism are widespread and liberal democracy with equality and progress is a distant dream

    Which is why I find it so hilarious those that cheer for this lot, and why they don’t vote with their feet and move to these places instead of lecturing those of us who call these bullshit regimes for what they are, instead we have millions of people from BRICS trying to get into the “decadent failing” west often at great expense and risk to their lives, witness the largest thread of this subforum on immigration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Why would the likes of China, Africa, South America,Caribean, Asia and India wish to return to a system which they have already tasted centuries of colonialism, genocide, slavery and forced starvation ?

    I would imagine countries who endured atrocities like that have very long memories and would be the last thing they would wish for.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    This was doomed before it started, it’s a group of countries with conflicting interests and chronic mismanagement. China wants to exploit most of them for resources without providing jobs to locals for projects like Western countries do. Russia just wants key resources as well. I expect the smaller partners will soon find out that the alternative to the West is even worse than they might have imagined.



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