The decline of FG?

I doubt it,since over 90% of them are at home,maybe do some basic research before posting such crap ?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/710767/irish-population-by-age/

https://www.thejournal.ie/emigration-poll-thejournal-6375309-May2024/

Emigration at it’s highest since 2015 which was probably near the peak of the austerity caused by the party FG said should never be in charge of finance again. Who is the MoF again?

90% of 18-30 year olds don’t support FG. Have those that have left tipped the balance for FG, is something to wonder about.
The stark facts that emigration is back to 2015 levels is something to worry about. I wonder how many left because they saw FG and FF collude to carry on as they were? Promise change and deliver none.

I'd imagine people emigrate for a variety of reasons.
One of them would be for 'hope'.
Property might be more expensive but actually being able to be in a position to buy would be the attraction. I know that because I know people who emigrated, including young nieces and nephews, who had despaired ever being in a position to own a home etc. I know people too who go for the craic, *crack is a drug afaik

I know you might not like the stark emigration figures quoted and are now trying to say it's just SF rhetoric, you couldn't be more Trumpian and out of touch with reality.

People are emigrating in numbers greater than 2015 = fact. The government is still having to respond to the cost of living crisis here by giving out aid to it's people.

Some craic!

So everything is rosy?

Some things are terrible about this country. Whether SF go up or down or FG get a couple of points ahead doesn't obscure the facts.
'Hope' that you will be able to make a good life is why people emigrate in the main, now and always. Also a fact. Being able to afford a home in a country where property is scarce is better by a country mile than not ever being in a position to buy a home.

Pureza, people emigrate for 'hope'. If Australia provides that hope you'll just have to accept that they are going against your advise. Point is, they are going, in greater numbers every year. Now at 2015 level high. You will also have to accept those CSO figures.

And who says I'm miserable? 😁
I have never denied that Ireland is good on many metrics, I am also not in denial of what 'decline' is and why it is happening. The 'I'm alright Jack, drink up your soup' arrogance of those who want the power balance to remain unaltered being a primary reason why people are moving out of the country and why those who remain are moving away from FG incrementally in every GE since 2011.

Made of stronger stuff up here Bobson.
When did FG get 5 more years, did I miss a GE?

Who was in power just before Covid?
Emigration levels are back at 2015 levels = a fact.

A lot of people come back but reasons are varied there too. Many return having saved enough to get the leg up the ladder they would never get here.

No, maybe you again missed where I said there are varied reasons for people to leave and come back.
A lot leave because they have no hope here. Has always been a high part of the reasons for emigration anywhere.
Thread is about FG btw and people gave been seeing through them since 2011 and are declining to vote for them.

Not my fault you are not as yet able to face the reality that FG’s vote is in decline.
The reasons for a decline are always mostly negative.

Nobody forcing you to read the thread. How do you debunk the reality expressed in the thread title btw?

Are you saying 39% down to 25% down to 20% is not ‘decline’? Falls in EU and local elections too.

So you are, despite the black and white evidence, continuing to deny a decline in their vote?

Posters here have been giving differing reasons for that decline if you read the thread. I.E. they accept there has been a decline. Some reasons offered I accept are part of the reason and others I disagree with. Such is a discussion forum. No consensus might ever be reached.

Id say people will start seeing through the bluffer Harris very soon

I made the observation before that he has all the talents to be the most reviled FG leader yet. Smug, arrogant and more than capable of saying or doing the wrong thing.
Varadkar led them to further decline quite quite possible Simon will too.

A thread on a major party of the government in a politics forum is hardly unusual.

Discussing the reasons for a decline is going to include negative things the party has done or not done. Hardly unexpected.

Your paranoia is increasing, as well as seeing co-conspirators contributing you also think the thread was started by the opposition.

If you smell sour grapes, fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion.

A week is a long time in politics, referencing vote share from decades ago is ancient history. FG are consistently up in the polls since Harris took over, that's all that matters in reality.

If I remember correctly, the only reason this thread was started was as a whatabout to the decline of SF thread, who were and still are currently declining in support. There is no current decline in FG support=fact.

Somebody needs to show these stats to the primary school principals we have, if only 10% of the teachers are gone there shouldn't be any shortage

I showed this thread to a lad beside me,albeit in the beer garden and do you know what he said,that lads a member of Fine Gael acting the maggot with you on the internet 🤣🤣

Common complaint heard on the radio is we have a lot of young teachers gone to the middle east and Australia etc. But if only 10% of them are gone we shouldn't have that issue should we?

I was hoping for clarification on your post but the fact you can't give it is noted

They're not going there for housing opportunities

They are going in hope of a better life which may or may not include housing opportunities denied to them here. Some are going and returning in the hope of overcoming what they are being denied here - opportunities.
FG and FF's votes have declined because the type of society they have created denies opportunity for some.

Well at least we have an admission that you are a Fine Gaeler and like your former leader Enda, take your lead from what you hear down the pub.

Whatever,

I have had enough of the disingenuous shape shifting tbh.

This is down to the record number of first-time buyers. Young people are buying houses in record numbers now and seeing their friends buying houses. The opportunities are there now.

It remains to be seen how that has worked in a GE context.
It didn't increase their local election vote nor their EU one. Both votes declined.

We know from history that Local and EU election performances do not necessarily transfer to GE votes, That's a given, being that they are different elections with differing considerations for the voter.

Here's a view from outside of the situation even as late as 2018 (bolding is mine and gives the lie to a vainglorious government press release):

A dearth of housebuilding over the past 10 years, despite rising household incomes and a sharp increase in employment (from 1.8 million in 2012 to well over 2.1 million last year), has also sent rents soaring, leaving many young workers to miss out on the recovery.

Meanwhile homelessness remains a major problem across the country. And in some areas negative equity and mortgage arrears mean the scars of recession remain. More than 8% of the population live in consistent poverty and 7% of mortgages are still more than three months in arrears.

It makes for a divided nation, uneasy about a recovery. A recent Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll found that 52% of voters are “dissatisfied with the way the government is running the country” compared with only 37% that are satisfied.

Seems the public weren't buying the government spin and relegated FG even further come the following GE.