Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Jesus, which is? First asylum seekers are responsible for all these restaurants closing down and tourism being decimated and now we're being told we've too many restaurants as it is. 😂

Huh? Anyone from the EU can come and work in Ireland. Do you think Polish and other Eastern Europeans are all working as doctors and engineers? 😂 I've some magic beans to sell you if that's the case.

People in this thread want immigrants out as well. Hence the reason they keep complaining about the negative impacts on housing, GP waiting lists, schools, hospitals etc.

Low income employment can easily be solved by higher minimum wage. But then we'd have the same poster in here blaming that for destroying our restaurants and local businesses. Can't win.

How can all these military aged young men be responsible for taking up primary school places and teachers time? A

all men, all young men

You have a cheek accusing others of disingenuous nonsense.

Might be something of an urban myth. Journalists who have investigated this say the overwhelming number of barber shops, car washes, tanning salons etc in the UK are likely to be legitimate. They say the 'real' money laundering is going on through banks, bureaux de change and cryptocurrency, often involving our old friends, the Russians.

Can you give links to these reports, your post is meaningless if we can't look at what you are telling us.

These articles explain how it happens in the UK and the various methods that are used. But as can be seen, the high street criminal money laundering businesses (which are undoubtedly a real phenomenon) are only one small element in the overall money laundering picture.

Surely that poster should be able to support their claims about these shops?

Otherwise it's just the same hateful made up rhetoric that we see around 'bogus' asylum seekers, 'safe' countries and people not contributing.

Dont know if you've ever been on Moore street, has to be at least 7 of them on that street alone.

I seen 'staff' go between each of them through out the day.

Definitely dodgy and that along with all the other shite along the street has destroyed it

Interesting moves for Germany

The key weakness with this argument is the phrase "fleeing war and persecution".

We have known for years that the vast majority of AS are not fleeing war and persecution.

That is the whole point of the opposition to them. They are not genuine, they are actually economic migrants.

They themselves often admit this, and the Ministers have stated it, over and over.

I sometimes think the AS, even though they are bogus and often illegal immigrants, are sometimes more honest than their supporters here.

Their supporters here, e.g. Labour / SocDems, some elements within SF, NGOs, etc. repeatedly lie, for example Sinead Gibney during the European elections, and many more like her.

Whereas Newstalk or RTE have interviewed Egyptian bogus AS who say "I am here for a better life".

And who could blame him.

Is there war in Albania, Georgia, the USA, South Africa?

No.

All the AS from these places are bogus.

They should be processed, not in 68 weeks, but in 68 hours, and sent home.

I feel like I should state the obvious here, just in case.

But when they say fleeing war and persecution, it very much can be one or the other.

The country the person is leaving doesn't have to be at war.

Absolutely sickening what our country is becoming

This government has so much to answer for and in years to come people will look back and say this is when Ireland lost its way. For me this is right up there with the recession of 2000s, a deeply tragic event and brought the country to it's knees.

This absolute blight is going create a far right party, we see European countries are heading this way and front and center is immigration. Ireland will be no different but due to Ireland being on the edge of Europe it's slower to change.

I **** despise this with it with all my heart

The biggest facilitators of ultra right wing parties coming to power are the previous governments and their ultra liberal policies on immigration.

We are far closer to this happening in Ireland because Fianna Gael have never stuck to the proper rules on Immigration. I.e, to claim assylum, you need to have proof that you are actually fleeing war and you need papers and a passport to prove who you are. And then you need to be deported if your claim for asylum fails.

Only 1% of FAILED asylum seekers are currently deported from Ireland. So to all intents and purposes we have an international open border. If the whole world wanted to come into Ireland, they could.

Let that sink in.

Very interesting podcast with Mandy Johnston's guest Katja Hoyer (The Guardian) re how the AfD did so well in Germany recently.

1st item -

https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/why-the-position-off-the-suns-af-ZGM2N2I4ZDFlYjhkYjFiNGMzOTlhNDJkZGRhODI0MjI%3D

It seems Germany's 'scatter them everywhere' policy didn't go down too well - Sound familiar?

Another piece by the Guardian where they do what the Guardian do - 'OMG, Far right everywhere!' - Now, having said that, I do have a soft spot for the Guardian - I would've sat on a tube train many a morning on the way to work with the broadsheet proudly displayed…but that was then.

The basic message I'm getting and feeling is, that you can only s**t on people from so high and for so long before it backfires spectacularly - If you keep pushing and pushing, something will give. Successive governments have known for a long time that the Irish electorate are actually a bit thick and are seemingly bound by this lifelong party loyalty irrespective of the fact that their continued support of one of 'the two', will likely change this country forever and not in a good way.

When I say the Irish electorate are a bit thick, it's only on certain matters - let's take the hypothetical example of Mary voting in the EU elections -

Well Mary, did you vote in the EU elections?

I did of course - I was on my way to the bingo and I dropped into the school and gave that dancing girl off the telly a vote…see seemed nice.

This is the same Mary that just a few months previously, exercised Machiavellian levels of guile and cunning ensuring that the 1.5 acres, that was 100% guaranteed to go to her neighbour, ended up in her land portfolio.

Welcome to Craggy Ireland

Craggy Ireland doesn't have an AfD party or anything like it, or even a credible opposition party of any hue for that matter - I think the only way to achieve the same dramatic turnaround that the AfD have caused in German policies recently, is to cram Leinster house with independents in the GE - This should result in complete chaos and another GE called within a few months

Whether or not I believe in deportations has very little to do with it.

The facts are that it's extremely difficult to deport people, and expecting it to happen on any scale is entirely unrealistic.

When people talk about the pressures on housing and services coming from immigration it's hard to understand why there's so much focus on IPAs. Personally I think a lot of it is fear-mongering from the populist press and social media, coupled with good ol fashioned racism and xenophobia. Hard to see why else people would be so concerned about the relatively very small number of IPAs we have living in Ireland.

Yup. You are completely right.

If people have an issue with migrant men who we know nothing about living in tents in the city centre, making the city feel unsafe, or the fact that they are being bussed en masse into small rural towns that can't sustain them, they are "good ol' fashioned racists or xenophobes".

Relatively "very small number"?

Can you even hear yourself?

And that there, is why the status quo will never be broken. You're more afriad to stand shoulder to shoulder with the man who has similar opinions to you, because of some sort of classist bs. Maybe the 3 other people around you at a protest are a homeowner, a businessman, and a grandmother. All 5 of you are there for the same reason.

Unfortunately the government know a lot of Irish think like this and will continue to do what they like.

26 plus 20

How did he come by Germany and UK with no ID?

When I had to get sick pay when off work, I was put through some hoops by DSP to finally get pay help

But you also want to complain about people living in tents?

I'd think you'll have no problem finding things to be outraged about for the foreseeable future.

I don't WANT to complain about living in tents. I HAVE to.

I find it completely unacceptable. If someone comes into the country without the documentation and proof of how they got here, they should either be arrested or deported.