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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Self fulfilling - The Russians don't want to spend scarce money on it because it would be wasted if Ukraine take it out with a missile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft



    Netherlands and 7 other EU states want to stop Russian diplomats (aka spies) and their families travelling freely across Schengen borders

    Germany, Austria and Italy are opposed of course!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    It would be silly for Europe to start stealing assets of other countries, other creditor nations will only start looking for the exits down the road, given the state of the US economy the last thing the US need is more $ crises or higher interest rates

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Stealing?

    Criminal asset forfeiture has plenty of precedent in both national and international laws

    Russia started an illegal criminal war, committed war crimes and their president is even wanted at The Hague

    Best of luck to them arguing this war of theirs is not criminal in a court

    If anything might set an example that causes future Fuhrers from starting stupid wars in Europe if it makes them stop and consider what might happen to their loot

    ——---

    Russia; we will destroy post WW2 world order and peace institutions while spitting on laws like Geneva conventions

    Also Russia: bwhaaaaa they breaking the rules!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I don't get the comment on the us economy. Which by all measures is by far the more resilient and powerful economy on the planet for at least 80 years + . The most technologically advanced country and the largest energy exporter in the world, they dominate every sector. Nobody comes close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You are not the only one, I asked earlier if not western countries then where exactly all these third rate places invest? There is literally nowhere else with rule of law, low corruption and the depths of markets available



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia stole foreign assets.

    As for the Russian assets in the system, they are indefinitely frozen due to the invasion. That didn't cause some exodus from the global systems by authoritarian states.

    As to whether they could be liquidised to rebuild Ukraine - that's more of a legal and geopolitical issue. Currently the interest is providing around 3 billion worth of annual credit to Ukraine.

    Of course if they really wanted to, I'm sure they could find a way to legally sell them, but perhaps they want to keep that in the back pocket as leverage against Putin's regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Russia stole a quarter of another country

    If someone breaks into your house robs it clean and then starts squatting in living room, you sure as hell wouldn’t be calling the CAB as “criminals” for seizing the bank assets of that robber/murderer/squarter in your house and giving it to the victim

    Or going on about how this would set bad precedent for other criminals not to keep their loot in the bank



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭dinorebel




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Bild is gutter press journalism but once in a while they get something right. This sounds plausible enough (assuming it happened before Lavrov "died" recently, a rumour the same poster was pushing)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Chinese banks reducing their business with Russia, obviously not for ethical reasons, but if it adds financial pressure to the Kremlin criminals can still be welcomed:



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The most obvious answer is usually the correct one and you don't have to go looking for hypotheticals. The total aid from NATO countries to Ukraine is not the entirity of NATO's strength, but it is not an insignificant amount either. Over $100bn a year is not chump change, so it is understandable, even if disappointing, that the NATO countries are reluctant to give more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Some countries like Sweden are putting the likes of the US to shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Ah the smell of burning Mordor in the morning


    Stuff going boom 💥 all around Moscow this morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    How crap must Putins air defences be if they can hit Moscow that effectively with drones ffs. It's not as though they shouldn't have been expecting it either given that they're nearly 3 years into their 3 day war, have approaching 750,000 dead and injured, and Ukraine has already demonstrated its willingness and ability to strike deep into Russia with drones.

    Even the partisan Russians have been well and truly hung out to dry by Putin. Will they turn on him? I won't be holding my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    What air defences are there are causing more damage than the drones by slamming into buildings

    Aside this poses a big issue for the “but but Russia has DA BOMB” crowd, if Russia ever uses a nuke then the same drones can render every major Russian city unlivable by delivering dirty nuke bombs, some of these are already converted civilian crop duster planes, a fine coat of plutonium or cobalt isotope dust would cause more radiation than an airburst nuke



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Ukraine should pick out government institutions/military sites and power plants in Moscow and concentrate on them for about a month. No where else just there, give them a taste of this everyday in their capital. Day and night a few drones slamming in. Would really unsettle them in their beds and day to day life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Although it can be tempting to think that continued drone attacks on Moscow will have an impact on the local population and the war, is there any evidence of this having happened during other bombing campaigns in history?

    Frequently, support for a regime, even if unpopular, increases when the citizens feel threatened.

    Militarily, I doubt if there’s anything of importance in Moscow. Drone attacks on Moscow can only be “poking the bear” in the hope that he makes some stupid decisions.

    Like Hitler did in 1940 when after the RAF bombings of Berlin, he switched the focus of Luftwaffe bombings from the airfields to London and started the Blitz.

    In so doing he gave the RAF, who were on the ropes at the time, enough breathing space to survive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Russia is just too big an area to defend even just western European Russia. Especially when they've lost a lot of AD to Ukraine attacks already and they've to push them up to defend ammo dumps and air fields closer to the front line. It leaves a lot of their refineries exposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    That's what I was advocating recently (and was attacked by some of the same posters celebrating this event), there should be more and more of it.

    Will it make the population turn against Putin? Of course not. If anything the opposite might happen. But it's still a bit of well earned revenge for what Ukraine has to endure. Keep it coming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    So todays Apple ruling raises interesting questions

    EU member state (us here in Ireland) has to collect and hand over 13bn from Apple despite multiple referendum where we were told our taxes are our own affairs yada yada and smacks of laws/rules being applied retroactively

    While EU continues to refuse to transfer 300bn of seized Russian criminal state assets to Ukraine

    It’s a fine day for rule of law when criminals are treated better than those following the law at the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The point here is we weren't following the law, or at least the ECJ deemed we weren't following our own law. The money comes to Ireland, not the EU, though if it's classed as a windfall then it has to go pay down our debt.

    It's not really the same situation where the EU are to take money from another jurisdiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its about not taking anything for granted, if you straight-lined the US from now it would end in bankruptcy its up to them to renew themselves, 36Trillion in debt is not a good place to be, it makes holding US assets a little less desirable even if there is no other game in town presently

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The US has no issues servicing it's nat debt and US treasuries are top notch collateral

    Russia on the other hand has a GDP lower than Texas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Most of US debt is owned by people and institutions in US or allied countries

    US debt is big because debt is money and US being the richest in the world has a lot of money

    Now Chinese debt on other hand is something else to behold all tied up in worlds largest property bubble in a population that’s about to lose 300mn people (as much as live in US) couple decades and are very anti immigrant

    But we going off topic on a tangent now

    @silverharp I would recommend this book (it’s free from libraries and internet archive)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Delivery of Iranian ballistic missiles to Russia for use against Ukraine has been confirmed. The West, as usual, responding with talk of new sanctions instead of what would actually make a difference: give Ukraine free use of weapons anywhere they want on Russian territory, and tell Iran that Israel gets a green light to destroy more Iranian weapons facilities.

    For someone with military knowledge: what exactly are the significance of these ballistic missiles compared to what Russia already has?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Without wanting to sound like I'm buying into any of Putin's derisory red line threats, what you're proposing could set in train devastating consequences for millions more people and cause massive global instability. Global instability that I'm pretty sure suits a lot of very wealthy people by the way… the likes of Musk etc. It'll be the plebs in the street who will suffer if the Middle East completely falls to s**t… Iran, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, Syria etc… with tin pot dictators elsewhere in South America and Africa given free reign while the rest of the world is distracted… and China eyeing up opportunities to flex its military muscles in the midst of wars in Europe and Middle East.

    I'd much prefer if the US slapped Netanyahu down to calm tensions in that region, and at the same time the West did the same to the autocrat in the Kremlin and gave Ukraine the military hardware it needs to decimate the Russian forces on its territory.

    All this pussy footing around doesn't seem to be doing anything to stabilise things either in the Middle East or in Eastern Europe. D**king around with policies on migration, environment etc which just creates a vacuum for right leaning populists to fill. But then again, the rich are absolutely coining it these days, so I wonder why the boat is being kept from being rocked…

    I don't know how Zelensky has kept so much calm over the past couple of years as the West prevaricates endlessly. He's without doubt one of the Statesmen of the 21st century so far, which is pretty remarkable when you consider his background and relative obscurity up to a few years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    One way to do it would be to hit Kursk or Rostov-on-Don with a dirty nuke and then tell the Russians that everyone within 300km of the Ukrainian border must evacuate because there's more on the way. That would put the frighteners on them.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭paul71


    Exactly, and they have no way out. Russia (even without this war and the sanctions) was already in a perilous state, it has 2 major issues, it has always been a developing nation, it never reached the economic footing of a developed nation, something Ireland arguably only achieved in the mid 90s, and it has a demographic deficit.

    One of those factors is a problem for any nation, Germany is developed but has a demographic deficit (offset slightly by immigration), India has no demographic deficit but is still developing. The USA is developed and has a growing population, the best of both worlds. Russia outside Moscow and St. Petersburg is undeveloped and has an ageing, poorly educated and unhealthy population.

    The US has no issue with borrowing or its economy, in fact if it did, it would be the rest of the world who would suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    Hopefully we can spend it on ditching the USC...

    And then Ukr beats Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    They don’t need to resort to any overt threats

    Just imho it renders “but but DA BOMB” type posts silly

    Yes Ukrainians don’t have nuclear weapons (big mistake giving them up it turned out) but if Putin does the evil act of exploding a nuclear device or more Ukrainians clearly have the technology to render large parts of Russia uninhabitable with existing homegrown tech they have

    And that’a before we get to what NATO or Chinese would do in such a situation

    So this war will most likely remain conventional



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Would be great to see a US admin. have courage to tackle Netanyahu, he (and Israel's behaviour under his govt.) are a source of chaos in the ME just as much as Iran is IMO.

    Just another wannabe tyrant, constrained a bit [compared to Putin or Khamenei] by the pre existing systems of a democracy but able to do a lot of damage.

    Netanyahu has (or had until quite recently!) no problems with Putin, or the Russian conquest and genocide of Ukraine.

    Israel has not helped Ukraine much at all (not much aid, no military help, no economic sanctions on Russia post Feb 2022). It has also blocked others from supplying weapons on 2 occasions that I have read of:

    • Spike anti-tank missiles that Germany wanted to send to Ukraine (designed/coproduced with israel), and;
    • Hawk air defence missiles/systems (in stocks that the US supplied to Israel, and asked for back, to send on to Ukraine).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I think sky news was saying its the quantity that was given as they can use these Iranian ballistic missiles more for short range attacks in eastern and central Ukraine as their range isnt huge and use the more advanced longer range Russian ballistic missiles on targets in western Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hope this turns out to be true.

    New Iranian missiles dead on arrival

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Actually I agree with you to a large degree, Netenjahu is a vile and reprehensible individual and I would only ever propose supporting him if it has a big knock on benefit for Ukraine. In this case it might. The Iranians, much like the Russians, are very big on threats, but as we've seen they're basically afraid of Israel because they know they'd be hammered in a war and very rarely follow through on threats.

    But yes, the most effective strategy would be to give Ukraine more and better weapons, but 2.5 years in with Ukraine on the back foot and facing what Blinken himself calls a "critical moment", do any of us believe the West is going to deliver those weapons?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Sounds a little too convenient and good to be true, but would be nice if it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The new revelation by Campbell came two weeks after U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan undertook his first trip to Beijing and met Chinese President Xi Jinping and other top officials.

    U.S. authorities have been ramping up pressure on Europe to more assertively respond to Beijing's support for Moscow in the Russian war against Ukraine. 

    —-

    Oh I wonder who would be dragging feet because they are afraid they might not sell as many BMWs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Post edited by TheValeyard on

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Iran should (already!) be under same set of EU sanctions as Russia. That should have happened right after they sold Russia the Shahed drones & technology/designs etc. Don't understand why it still hasn't happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Very weak. One step up from thoughts and prayers. And those are the big 3 European countries. Embarrassing



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭RGARDINR




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    About time if so. Ukraine needs to hit Russia on its own territory more and more: military infrastructure, transport hubs, energy, key industries, everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Better be true. Few sources saying it.

    But why announce these things??? Let the Ukrainians fire of a sh1t load of these before the Russians cop on and destroy some high value targets.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    If the Americans give the green light, Germany might be next. Scholz always follows America's lead

    Post edited by rogber on


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