Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

As I understand the process, anyone without ID entering the state has their biometric data taken and is issued a new id.

AGS can run biometric data against several databases and refuse entry if the person is deemed to be a risk to the state.

In practice I'm not sure how often AGS intervene like this, I believe they're very under resourced at the moment, especially with the arson, violence, public order stemming from the anti-immigration movement in recent times.

It would be illegal to refuse somebody's ability to seek asylum on the grounds of not having documentation, though it can be factored in any decision around granting refugee status.

That's the system we're part of, and have been for a very long time.

Still waiting to hear your alternative.

If you genuinely had to run for your life with just the clothes on your back then it's not Ireland you're rocking up too.

If we take the poor people of Sudan getting pulled out of their huts and shot dead in the street like dogs because of religious persecution.

They're not gonna rock up to Ireland. Because they're stopping in the first country they hit if they manage to out run the crazy militia men with AKs chasing them.

Do you see the difference between that amd the AS arriving here?

Are you honestly going to belittle what the true version of fleeing is by comparing it to what is arriving to the furthest most point of north west Europe?

all threadbans are gone it seems on the OP… not clear what mod to message so popping it here.

Edit : it’s mentioned here -

@Ten of Swords I know it may be a bit of work but it’s not obvious that the threadban removal was due to this update - maybe a link would help in OPs with existing threadbanned lists?

I'm not sure what Germany's plans, if they have any in the longer term, are.

As for Australia, they've spent billions placing people in detention centers and trying to deport them, but neither appears to have worked as a deterrent.

They have had some success in reducing the number of applications with a strict pre-clearance system coupled to a boat push back policy. They seem now though to have quite serious problems with people overstaying visas and living undocumented, facilitated by organized crime.

I can't see how Australia's approach would work here though. We'd have to secure the border up North, and ensure we don't get our own small boat crossings (I believe it's quite feasible to cross from France or the UK in a small craft.)

You still haven't told us how we can affect these deportations? Australia resorted to spending huge sums to have people resettled in the US and elsewhere, do you think we should follow this approach too?

And from that point of view, I can understand, its one of the reasons, I very much believe people should be allowed wear a mask at a protest.

But in the post I replied to, they didn't want to physically stand beside the unemployed person they referred too. That in my mind is foolish, if you believe in something, you should stand up and use your right to protest.

If by 'finding issues' you mean looking at what hasn't worked elsewhere.

Then yes, I guess I'm finding issues.

I can't understand why we're expected to act in some kind of blind panic, to deal with such a small number of people.

I'd think we can be made honor these obligations, I've asked the question before as to whether we're exempt, but I believe we could be subject to similar fines as Hungary are.

The bigger issue I would think is the risk immigration, and more specifically nation-states reactions to immigration, is posing to EU stability. I can't see how the EU would continue to function as it does unless there is some harmonization on dealing with immigration. As the UK learned the union just does not operate as a simple trade agreement.

As for harder approaches to people living undocumented I'd think it's far more difficult than you'd imagine. Most western countries that I can see which have had to deal with the issue have allowed people access to basic services such as education and healthcare.

I would think our short term costs are too high on emergency accommodation, but otherwise what are these 'huge sums' keeping people here? Or maybe you also dispute the ESRI findings of strong labour market involvement by IPAs?

https://www.esri.ie/news/strong-take-up-of-right-to-work-by-international-protection-applicants-in-ireland-since-2018

In terms of Australia's approach, which you've advocated we follow, they resorted to spending near $14 million per person to have people resettled in Cambodia whom they couldn't deport, only two of whom remained.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/09/55m-cambodia-deal-that-resettled-two-refugees-a-good-outcome-says-dutton

I think it's fair to say you're plans on detaining and deporting appear quite unfeasible.

The NGOs must be licking their lips with this 13.7bn